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To be angry that Scarlet Blake is being called a woman.

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ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 15:42

Scarlet Blake has been found guilty of murder. He also tortured and killed a cat.

He is not a woman.

This shouldn't be reported as a woman's crime.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68360122

Scarlet Blake

Cat killer Scarlet Blake found guilty of murdering Jorge Martin Carreno

Jorge Martin Carreno was pulled from a river after being killed by Scarlet Blake in 2021.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68360122

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ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 18:29

#NotOurCrimes is now trending on X.

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Needapadlockonmyfridge · 23/02/2024 18:26

It is definitely, definitely not ok.

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ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 18:24

TurtleMoon · 23/02/2024 18:13

Totally agree that it's misleading reporting. They do, however, mention this person coming out as trans and the partner being a trans woman, so I'm not sure how far a complaint would get. The Guardian, OTOH, don't mention the word trans at all... I imagine we'd be wasting our time complaining there though 🤦🏼‍♀️

That was in the updated BBC report; the first one had no mention of anything other than calling Blake a 'woman'.

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WomaninBoots · 23/02/2024 18:24

Next level insanity at the Guardian not even fucking mentioning the trans status. Absolutely and totally batshit. Glassy-eyed drones, walking into the Guardian offices must be like stepping into the start of a zombie movie.

CasaMundi · 23/02/2024 18:20

I had not heard about this case before today. I read the reporting in the guardian and came away with the thought 'gosh this is an unusual crime for a woman to commit'. Thanks for this clarification. Not a woman
Now it makes sense.

TurtleMoon · 23/02/2024 18:13

Totally agree that it's misleading reporting. They do, however, mention this person coming out as trans and the partner being a trans woman, so I'm not sure how far a complaint would get. The Guardian, OTOH, don't mention the word trans at all... I imagine we'd be wasting our time complaining there though 🤦🏼‍♀️

TorroFerney · 23/02/2024 18:11

Pinkfrlls · 23/02/2024 16:07

Who cares what gender they are? I'm horrified by that cruel sadistic behaviour. It wouldn't be any better if it was done by a person of a different gender.

He is a he, not a they he is a man - lucky you if you can't see why it matters.

User19798 · 23/02/2024 18:07

Pinkfrlls · 23/02/2024 16:07

Who cares what gender they are? I'm horrified by that cruel sadistic behaviour. It wouldn't be any better if it was done by a person of a different gender.

We all need to care because crime stats matter.

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ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 18:03

Sex matters, is my point. No man 'earns the right' to use female pronouns if he's nice or polite or kind or respectful. This is being framed as an etiquette/moral/manners/emotive issue and it's more than that. It's about our ability to communicate information effectively, record useful data, risk assess, plan, assess, and understand each other.

Every time someone tries to obfuscate someone else's sex, it has an impact.

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lifeturnsonadime · 23/02/2024 18:00

noctilucentcloud · 23/02/2024 17:58

I can see that argument, but we refer to anyone who has committed even the most hideous crime by he/she rather than for example it. If the press and judge refer to a transgender person by their chosen pronouns then that doesn't revert because of them being found guilty. (A transgendered witness or victim would also be referred to by their chosen pronouns)

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What a load of bollocks.

No one should be compelled to use incorrect sex pronouns for anyone.

Or are you one of those who thinks that a rape victim should be compelled to call her rapist she in court?

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ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 18:00

I'm not arguing he should be named as a 'he' because I think it's respectful to call him 'she' and he's a criminal. The 'manners' argument is really irrelevant.

Criminals, even those guilty of the most horrifying crimes, have rights and are entitled to fair treatment.

My argument is about logic, truth, trust, accuracy, data and public interest. It is crucial that men are named as men.

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DZbornak · 23/02/2024 17:59

Abouttoblow · 23/02/2024 17:54

I see there's a few of the "be kind" brigade in the voting. They're part of the group that helped this shit show get to where it is.

Just use she even if they're a man, it's kind and it costs you nothing.
Of course they're a woman, you wouldn't be referring to them as she if they weren't.
Of course they're female, everyone refers to them as a woman and uses she when talking about them.
Of course you can't exclude them from female spaces, services, prisons and sports, they're female.

Being kind doesn't "cost us nothing."
It's cost us everything.

Absofuckinglutely 👏transwomen are male. Born male and will always be male.

noctilucentcloud · 23/02/2024 17:58

LibbyLemoncake · 23/02/2024 17:38

I have no issue with Scarlett being referred to as a transgender woman or the female pronouns being used for her. I think the press (and judge) are right to report in this way. It is a basic respect shown to all transgender people

HE lost that respect when he tortured the cat and killed a man 🤬😡🤬

I can see that argument, but we refer to anyone who has committed even the most hideous crime by he/she rather than for example it. If the press and judge refer to a transgender person by their chosen pronouns then that doesn't revert because of them being found guilty. (A transgendered witness or victim would also be referred to by their chosen pronouns)

pickledandpuzzled · 23/02/2024 17:55

@noctilucentcloud , in what way is this cat torturing murder worthy of respect? He hasn’t earned and does not deserve either respect or kindness.

DuesToTheDirt · 23/02/2024 17:55

Whenwillitgetwarm · 23/02/2024 17:49

I read about it in the Guardian and they referred to a ‘she’ throughout but it didn’t sound like a female crime to me at all. I also wondered how a woman could overpower a man, strangle him and throw him in a canal.

I then did a search and found the voice recording and it was clear ‘she’ was a ‘he’.

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It's got to the point where I read news stories about "women" with an ever-increasing scepticism. Sometimes it's "women" who are under arrest for very male crimes, like murdering a stranger (as here), or rape, or indecent exposure. Sometimes it's record-breaking women in sports - I end up looking very carefully at the pictures and the reporting, to see whether a woman has actually broken the woman's record, or whether it's yet another man.

Bloody liars.

GailBlancheViola · 23/02/2024 17:54

Panama2 · 23/02/2024 17:44

So maybe crimes should be recorded not just as male or female but transgender, non binary and all the other genders that we now have?

Still a man though no matter what is done surgically and chemically.

It would be interesting to have crimes recorded as male, female and then additionally where relevant as whether the person committing them was transgender, the statistics would be fascinating.

Abouttoblow · 23/02/2024 17:54

I see there's a few of the "be kind" brigade in the voting. They're part of the group that helped this shit show get to where it is.

Just use she even if they're a man, it's kind and it costs you nothing.
Of course they're a woman, you wouldn't be referring to them as she if they weren't.
Of course they're female, everyone refers to them as a woman and uses she when talking about them.
Of course you can't exclude them from female spaces, services, prisons and sports, they're female.

Being kind doesn't "cost us nothing."
It's cost us everything.

Socoldhoney · 23/02/2024 17:50

Panama2 · 23/02/2024 17:44

So maybe crimes should be recorded not just as male or female but transgender, non binary and all the other genders that we now have?

Still a man though no matter what is done surgically and chemically.

There are nearly 3300 genders so I don’t think they could do that.

GailBlancheViola · 23/02/2024 17:49

Notamum12345577 · 23/02/2024 16:26

Well, the person is legally a woman (whatever our personal opinions are on that fact) so complaining to the BBC is not going to change anything.

Are they? You know this how? Self-id is not law in the UK.

Whenwillitgetwarm · 23/02/2024 17:49

Notourcrime · 23/02/2024 16:45

I read the bbc article and was suprised a woman would commit that crime. Then I listened to the recording and it became clear it wasn't a woman. HE is a man. Not our crime! I am so sick of the reporting on these cases.

I read about it in the Guardian and they referred to a ‘she’ throughout but it didn’t sound like a female crime to me at all. I also wondered how a woman could overpower a man, strangle him and throw him in a canal.

I then did a search and found the voice recording and it was clear ‘she’ was a ‘he’.

lifeturnsonadime · 23/02/2024 17:44

If he gets out of prison, which being young he probably will one day, will the genderists insist he should be in a women's refuge? Should he be able to use other single sex spaces reserved for women? Would you be happy if he shares changing rooms or toilets with your daughter?

Every single time a trans woman commits a crime like this I wonder how anyone still justifies the trans women are women, justification for the removal of women's rights to single sex spaces.

This nonsense needs to end.

Men are never women.

These are not our crimes.

Panama2 · 23/02/2024 17:44

So maybe crimes should be recorded not just as male or female but transgender, non binary and all the other genders that we now have?

Still a man though no matter what is done surgically and chemically.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 23/02/2024 17:43

The identifying as a cat thing is so interesting. Nobody with a functioning brain cell believes someone who identifies as a cat literally is a cat. The same goes (mostly) for people claiming to be disabled when they aren't, to be a different age (usually younger, go figure), a different ethnicity or all sort of other things they manifestly aren't. So why can somebody claim to be another thing they manifestly aren't, i.e. the opposite to their natal sex, and we're all supposed to respect that, or in plainer words, lie about it?

Kalevala · 23/02/2024 17:41

MenopauseSucks · 23/02/2024 16:27

The Telegraph has referred to Blake as 'she' throughout their article, used 'transgender cat killer' as well but at no point did they mention him being a woman.

HOWEVER they quoted Judge Chamberlain from his summing up on Thursday:
'You know the defendant is a transgender woman - in other words someone who was identified as male at birth and then transitioned to live as a woman.
The fact she is trans on its own has no particular relevance to this case. It doesn't make it any more or less likely that she is guilty of the offence with which she is charged.
He added that jurors were however allowed to consider her 'stature' and whether they believe she was 'physically able' to carry out the attack on Mr Carreno'

Reasonable journalism - ok the use of 'she' is annoying - but they published information that fully explained that Scarlet Black was indeed male & didn't describe him as a woman either.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/23/scarlet-blake-cat-killing-guilty-jorge-martin-carreno/

(Try it in archive.ph!)

They only use she/her themselves, not as a quote, in the second to last paragraph from what I can see. Until then they are using Blake, I was hoping they'd just avoided pronouns until the end.