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To be angry that Scarlet Blake is being called a woman.

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ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 15:42

Scarlet Blake has been found guilty of murder. He also tortured and killed a cat.

He is not a woman.

This shouldn't be reported as a woman's crime.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68360122

Scarlet Blake

Cat killer Scarlet Blake found guilty of murdering Jorge Martin Carreno

Jorge Martin Carreno was pulled from a river after being killed by Scarlet Blake in 2021.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68360122

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DamasceneRose · 24/02/2024 11:57

Erin394 · 24/02/2024 11:49

Seems to be a lot of misinformation in this thread. We don't know why trans people are trans. There's studies evidencing that the brains of trans people don't fall within the expected parameters of either male or female brains. Sometimes our bodies let us down. Imagine waking up tomorrow, looking in the mirror, and seeing a man when you feel like a woman, or vice-versa.

When a woman with severe PCOS has masculine features and hormone levels, we see that person as a woman with a medical issue (perhaps due to a genetic mutation), and they get help for it.

Yet when a transwoman has masculine features and hormone levels, a lot of people see that person as a man, not a woman with a medical issue (perhaps due to a genetic mutation), and so we get no help and are hated for it.

It's saddening that people seem more focused on what's between our legs than what's between our ears. However fear not because our DIY estrogen and anti-androgens render it ornamental anyway.

Please don't lump us all in the same basket as a criminal just on the basis of being trans. 99% of us just want to get on with our lives and raise a family in peace, without being made to feel like an abomination by those fortunate enough to not be dealt this hand.

  1. What is “feeling like a woman”?

  2. A woman with PCOS (or menopausal woman on HRT) is female i.e. born with large gametes. A trans woman taking oestrogen is male i.e. produces small gametes.

  3. Nobody is saying that all transgender people are criminals. We are saying that when they commit violent crimes, sex (not gender) matters.

pickledandpuzzled · 24/02/2024 11:53

Erin394 · 24/02/2024 11:49

Seems to be a lot of misinformation in this thread. We don't know why trans people are trans. There's studies evidencing that the brains of trans people don't fall within the expected parameters of either male or female brains. Sometimes our bodies let us down. Imagine waking up tomorrow, looking in the mirror, and seeing a man when you feel like a woman, or vice-versa.

When a woman with severe PCOS has masculine features and hormone levels, we see that person as a woman with a medical issue (perhaps due to a genetic mutation), and they get help for it.

Yet when a transwoman has masculine features and hormone levels, a lot of people see that person as a man, not a woman with a medical issue (perhaps due to a genetic mutation), and so we get no help and are hated for it.

It's saddening that people seem more focused on what's between our legs than what's between our ears. However fear not because our DIY estrogen and anti-androgens render it ornamental anyway.

Please don't lump us all in the same basket as a criminal just on the basis of being trans. 99% of us just want to get on with our lives and raise a family in peace, without being made to feel like an abomination by those fortunate enough to not be dealt this hand.

So much forced teaming, misinformation and wishful thinking in this post.

Erin394 · 24/02/2024 11:49

Seems to be a lot of misinformation in this thread. We don't know why trans people are trans. There's studies evidencing that the brains of trans people don't fall within the expected parameters of either male or female brains. Sometimes our bodies let us down. Imagine waking up tomorrow, looking in the mirror, and seeing a man when you feel like a woman, or vice-versa.

When a woman with severe PCOS has masculine features and hormone levels, we see that person as a woman with a medical issue (perhaps due to a genetic mutation), and they get help for it.

Yet when a transwoman has masculine features and hormone levels, a lot of people see that person as a man, not a woman with a medical issue (perhaps due to a genetic mutation), and so we get no help and are hated for it.

It's saddening that people seem more focused on what's between our legs than what's between our ears. However fear not because our DIY estrogen and anti-androgens render it ornamental anyway.

Please don't lump us all in the same basket as a criminal just on the basis of being trans. 99% of us just want to get on with our lives and raise a family in peace, without being made to feel like an abomination by those fortunate enough to not be dealt this hand.

lifeturnsonadime · 24/02/2024 11:37

DamasceneRose · 24/02/2024 11:26

He definitely claimed that he had been affected by his parents’ negative response to him “coming out as trans”

Hope he doesn't get a lenient sentence on account of this. Obviously he will have jail time BUT criminals are definitely using this for sentencing purposes.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/09/06/how-trans-ideology-is-helping-paedophiles-walk-free/

How trans ideology is helping paedophiles walk free

Sex offenders who plead ‘trans’ are being spared prison.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/09/06/how-trans-ideology-is-helping-paedophiles-walk-free

theilltemperedclavecinist · 24/02/2024 11:34

Reddit discussing this thread.

'Essentially they're saying that the press calling Scarlet a woman is skewing the 'crime statistics', which is rubbish because there are so few trans criminals the effect on crime stats is negligible.'

Dishonest, or stupid? Female criminals of this type are so rare that even one transgender offender could create an impression of a large % increase. I'm kind of hoping criminologists will start writing learned articles about this worrying phenomenon (firmly tongue in cheek).

QueenCamilla · 24/02/2024 11:26

Just as well the Guardian did away with their dating section some time ago. Otherwise imagine, what it would be like these days 😱

DamasceneRose · 24/02/2024 11:26

lifeturnsonadime · 24/02/2024 11:16

I wonder if the transgenderism was used as a mitigating factor in this crime? It has been in the past, suggested, that it should be seen as mitigating.

He definitely claimed that he had been affected by his parents’ negative response to him “coming out as trans”

lifeturnsonadime · 24/02/2024 11:16

I wonder if the transgenderism was used as a mitigating factor in this crime? It has been in the past, suggested, that it should be seen as mitigating.

Helleofabore · 24/02/2024 11:12

DamasceneRose · 24/02/2024 11:06

The latest comment on that Reddit is;

”The micro aggressions are horrible in the media too, “Blake, who is transgender” why is that relevant at all to the article? Change it to “black” or “Jewish” or “male” and people would be outraged.”

I’m lost for words. And actually, if reports had said “Blake, who is male….” they would at least have been accurate even if it hurt the sadist’s feelings by failing to play along with his delusions. Interesting that identifying as a cat was considered by the court as “mental instability” but yet thinking he is a woman is entirely normal.

It is stark isn’t it? That dissonance between identifying as a cat vs woman.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/02/2024 11:09

“Blake, who is transgender” why is that relevant at all to the article?

Fair enough, just report him as a man.

Chersfrozenface · 24/02/2024 11:06

CousinGreg55 · 24/02/2024 10:58

Telegraph also says that the jury were told at the start of the trial of SB's transgender status

The whole wording in the image is Interesting.

Can anyone familiar with legalistic language tell me what "would not be at issue' means in this context?

Does it mean "would not be the subject of debate" i. e. that everyone accepted the accused's transgender status and would refer to him as though he were female?

Or does it mean "would not be relevant to the case in any way"?

Or something else?

DamasceneRose · 24/02/2024 11:06

ArabellaScott · 24/02/2024 10:31

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1ayc3m9/trans_murderer_scarlet_blake_is_being_used_to/

Reddit discussing this thread.

'Essentially they're saying that the press calling Scarlet a woman is skewing the 'crime statistics', which is rubbish because there are so few trans criminals the effect on crime stats is negligible.* *Their fear is that if the crime stats show more women committing crime (than there actually are) women will lose their moral high ground vs. men.'

'...saying men are inherently less moral is incredibly harmful, and has been used by right wingers to rationalise violence'

Isn't it funny how this sounds like every MRA you ever heard prior to around 2017?

The latest comment on that Reddit is;

”The micro aggressions are horrible in the media too, “Blake, who is transgender” why is that relevant at all to the article? Change it to “black” or “Jewish” or “male” and people would be outraged.”

I’m lost for words. And actually, if reports had said “Blake, who is male….” they would at least have been accurate even if it hurt the sadist’s feelings by failing to play along with his delusions. Interesting that identifying as a cat was considered by the court as “mental instability” but yet thinking he is a woman is entirely normal.

pickledandpuzzled · 24/02/2024 11:05

I’m really sorry- I’m sure I read they were 6’! I’m spreading misinformation 🙁

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/02/2024 11:03

Telegraph also says that the jury were told at the start of the trial of SB's transgender status

I expect there would otherwise be questions when they saw the defendant in the dock.

CousinGreg55 · 24/02/2024 10:58

Telegraph also says that the jury were told at the start of the trial of SB's transgender status

To be angry that Scarlet Blake is being called a woman.
Chersfrozenface · 24/02/2024 10:52

CousinGreg55 · 24/02/2024 10:49

The Telegraph have reported on their heights which was something i hadn't seen mentioned anywhere else
They were both 5' 7" but SB was nearly 2 stone heavier the Jorge

That makes it obvious that Jorge was very specifically targeted as Blake's victim.

Unusually short and slight for man.

CousinGreg55 · 24/02/2024 10:49

Saladpops · 24/02/2024 10:02

Why isn't the headline part-time cat kills another cat in a blender and then pounces on and murders a random 6 foot tall man?

The Telegraph have reported on their heights which was something i hadn't seen mentioned anywhere else
They were both 5' 7" but SB was nearly 2 stone heavier the Jorge

To be angry that Scarlet Blake is being called a woman.
pickledandpuzzled · 24/02/2024 10:45

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g the jury will have seen the accused was over 6’ tall and heard them speak at the start of the trial. They would have had no doubt- though perhaps wondered why no one was mentioning the emperor was naked.

The family of the victim interests me more- at what point were they told? Were they left wondering how a woman overpowered their son?

ArabellaScott · 24/02/2024 10:40

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/02/2024 10:38

This case has been reported on the Oxford Mail website for months now and it's only in the last week or so that I can remember them mentioning that Scarlet is a transwoman. In fact, I remember just a few days ago reading that fact and being surprised it wasn't mentioned earlier. Until just a week or so ago, I was under the impression that Scarlet was a woman - this was all down to the reporting on the local news site.

They only mentioned it because it was part of Scarlet's testimony that they were live blogging at the time.

We knew Scarlet was microchipped long before we knew Scarlet was a transwoman.

So his cat ID was known first, but isn't now being reported, for some reason.

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ArabellaScott · 24/02/2024 10:38

Feminists: 'stats show men are more violent'
MRAs: 'feminists keep saying we are immoral and that's really hurtful and unfair, women need to be kind'

We can't base societal rules and laws on men's hurty feelings. They have to be based on evidence, truth, and material reality.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/02/2024 10:38

This case has been reported on the Oxford Mail website for months now and it's only in the last week or so that I can remember them mentioning that Scarlet is a transwoman. In fact, I remember just a few days ago reading that fact and being surprised it wasn't mentioned earlier. Until just a week or so ago, I was under the impression that Scarlet was a woman - this was all down to the reporting on the local news site.

They only mentioned it because it was part of Scarlet's testimony that they were live blogging at the time.

Chersfrozenface · 24/02/2024 10:37

Saladpops · 24/02/2024 10:35

It's also interesting that they are talking about morality. But the issue isn't morality. It's male violence.

It's the facts, the truth about male violence.

I expect that's what they don't want people to know.

ArabellaScott · 24/02/2024 10:36

Yes, indeed. Risk assessment, statistics, policing, law.

Practical matters affected by material reality, including sex.

Trans activists attempting to swerve it into emotive territory, including morality.

Men's feels positioned as more important than society's safety.

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Saladpops · 24/02/2024 10:36

As we know that men are more violent than women. They are trying to twist it to suggest it is harmful to say women are more moral than men. No. Women are less violent than men. It's a fact.

Saladpops · 24/02/2024 10:35

It's also interesting that they are talking about morality. But the issue isn't morality. It's male violence.