To be angry that Scarlet Blake is being called a woman.

If we’re throwing insults around about women who disagree with you, here are a few about people who disagree with me-
deluded
naive
selfish
desperate… all perfectly appropriate terms for people who prefer to ignore truth in favour of their preferences.

They are either a female with a male body, or a male with a female brain. It depends on which you think takes priority. I think the brain should take priority.

There is no such thing. If someone is male, then their brain is by definition male.

Well Erin, I can think of something worse than being a transwoman in a male prison (where they’d probably be classed as vulnerable and have protection).
Being a woman imprisoned with a transwoman is worse, as such inmates have explained. Being unable to escape the company of transwomen when you are a smaller, weaker woman who has almost inevitably already suffered trauma at the hands of men. Having your weight lifting trophy given to the transwoman prisoner who can lift more than you for some mysterious reason. Being sexually assaulted by a transwoman in prison.

I have never heard such utter bollocks as has been spouted by one or two on here.

And I’m not a bitter cis woman. I’m a woman who has raised children, cared for elders, worked/studied in both typically female and typically male fields, and knows biology.

They are either a female with a male body, or a male with a female brain. It depends on which you think takes priority. I think the brain should take priority.

This is utter nonsense. There is no such thing as a female brain, except in the literal sense that female bodies contain brains.

I'd be rolling my eyes and ignoring this piffle if it weren't for the incredible fact that politicians, judges, the police, schools, hospitals and so on have mostly bought into this ideology and are busily changing laws and policies, converting separate male and female toilets, changing rooms etc into unisex and making health education messages so unclear that they'd be better off not bothering.

Also, that wasn't the point of the thread (the point of the thread was for a minority of bitter cisgender people to vent and feel justified in their anger towards the existence of trans people).

The point of this thread is to say that women here don't accept this murdering man as a woman, whatever he thinks about himself, and we're really quite angry about being gaslighted and lied to about it.

I'm not bitter, mate, I'm fucking raging. There's a difference.

I don't care if this man had the brain of a Lesser Spotted Woodpecker to be frank.

What matters is that this was a man that tortured animals and murdered a person.
Nothing can take away the pain of the family but I hope he serves a whole of life sentence for his crime.

It is important to me that it was a male crime committed by a man and that women are not implicated because it is extremely rare for a woman to commit this sort of crime, and I want it to stay that way. Public perceptions/crime statistics should not be distorted by men calling themselves women.

I do hope that the suffering and loss of the victim and the pain of their family and friends isn't forgotten because of the circumstances of the perpetrator and the reporting of the case. The victim and their family are the people that deserve respect here not the perpetrator.

They are either a female with a male body, or a male with a female brain. It depends on which you think takes priority. I think the brain should take priority.

He's a man with a male brain.

I'm furious because it skews the crime figures. All kinds of atrocities committed by MEN are being chalked up as crimes committed by women.

Erin I don't think people are saying it's important to know Blake is transgender. They're saying it's important to know Blake is male.

For what it's worth I believe most trans people are ordinary decent people. I also believe most male people are ordinary decent people.

However it's still true that vastly more violent or sexual crimes are committed by males than females. We shouldn't be lied to about someone's sex, and their sex should be recorded correctly if they commit a crime.

It's also true that female people need their own spaces, safe from male people. This is particularly true in prison where a lot of the males are violent.

Technically all female people have all the gametes that they will ever potentially produce when they are born. Those gametes are simply not yet matured, of course.

Just want to add, also true for males. Boy embryos already have all their spermatagonia (immature sperm).

Maybe because being trans isn't the reason that a bad person commits a crime, but being denied basic healthcare and wanting to get on with our lives is something that most of us are afforded? Most of us don't need or care for your sympathy.

99% of us just want to get on with our lives, and the fact most people will walk past trans people all the time without realising is testament to that. But the media just can't help but use us as rage bait to get clicks.

I wonder if you hold similar views about inequality in other areas? E.g. if a black person kills somebody, do you think it's right to thrust their ethnicity front and centre?

I would thank you for your answer but as it is a complete non answer and misses the glaringly obvious, I won't.

I can’t believe we’re even having to go here with @Erin394 , but aside from anything else, prisons are not separated by ethnicity / race. They are separated by sex. Hence why it is important to discuss the sex of violent offenders to ensure that males are not placed in the female estate. The safety of female prisoners trumps the feelings of biological males.

@Erin394 I wonder if you hold similar views about inequality in other areas? E.g. if a black person kills somebody, do you think it's right to thrust their ethnicity front and centre?

Well, if I was black, and a white murderer was described in every press outlet as 'black' then I might be a bit annoyed.

Does this sad poster have any sad feels about Carreno's family and friends having to live with not only their son/brother/grandson/cousin/friend/etc being brutally murdered but having the story of his death, HIS truth, utterly fucking butchered by the court and the press.

No sad feels about that?

those who are assigned male at birth, (who do, for some reason we don't fully understand, seem to make up the majority of trans people. It's possible that autism may play a role).

On the strength of this sentence, I'm going to guess that Erin is an older transwoman who hasn't grasped that the big growth area in recent years is in girls approaching or going through puberty coming out as transboys or non-binary. Autism appears to be a big factor here, along with pre-existing mental helath problems, family trauma and a history of experiencing sexual abuse. This has all the hallmarks of a social contagion, but research into why this is happening has been ruthlessly targeted by activists as bigoted and transphobic, so there isn't much to go on.

Oddly, given the publicity around this area, and the normalisation of coming out as trans, adult women have not being coming out in droves as transmen or non-binary. It's almost as if the older gender clinicians were right when they said that the vast majority of gender-confused children and teens would come to terms with their natal sex once they got through puberty.

To be honest no. Whining about not being able to get 'basic healthcare ' by which they mean cosmetic surgery whilst cancer victims and women going through menopause are denied similar is not ok in my book.

Maybe accept you are statistically the safest demographic in the UK and stop demanding resources and the centre of attention. (Like this thread about a murder victim for one).

I’m interested in your answer. You believe transwomen are women and that this should be respected even when they commit a violent crime. Does this then extend to placing them in a women’s prison with vulnerable females?

Oh look, we're playing the "it's like being racist" card again.

No.

If you can't justify your position as is, you don't get to call up absolutely shit analogies that don't stand up to any kind of scrutiny. They can never explain anything without falling back on the false analogy.

It's not the same as racism.

I wonder if you hold similar views about inequality in other areas? E.g. if a black person kills somebody, do you think it's right to thrust their ethnicity front and centre?

What inequality? The only inequality I see is that women's rights have been removed because of the demands of trans women, who factually are male.

Now we're supposed to ignore the fact that this was a man who committed this male pattern crime because another male might be upset?

All pretty fucking misogynistic if you ask me.

99% of us just want to get on with our lives

Stay out of women's spaces and stop appropriating their experiences and language and then there will be no problem with that.