To be angry that Scarlet Blake is being called a woman.

That's good. Just infuriating how the mangling of language might lead people to think this was a female crime.

No mention of him being a man in today's Oxford Mail live reporting.

Its a complete disgrace.

'Straightforward' killing? I feel for the family and friends of Jorge, I really do. The fiasco that Wang is creating, and the do-gooders who seek to defend Wang, must be adding to their grief.

I wouldn't be surprised if the cat identity is plan b in case plan a (women's prison) fails. Makes it easier to get moved to psychiatric wing.

Even @Pinkfrlls can't bring him/her/they self to actually call "Scarlet" she. I guess even he/she/they feel a tiny bit of cognitive dissonance about "correct" pronouns

It would be useful to have the information, but I think it could also be meaningless in a way too.

Similar may apply to religion - there, looking at changes may be illuminating in various ways.

Yes, exactly Frood.

And yet the hair flipping, failure to map read, suddenly losing the ability to put out bins (your wife has to then do it) and crying a lot and eating chocolate once a month has been got down pat.

I thought compassion, empathy and thoughtfulness for others were feminine gender things. It's odd how it works.

You'd think even if male people with TQ+ identities didn't know what it felt like to be a woman they'd have the basic empathy and interest in other people's needs, feelings, inclusion, privacy and dignity that they value so highly for themselves. And would have the capacity to care about women's voices and needs and look for compromises that worked for all.

You would, wouldn't you. But I think many of them are pathologically lacking in empathy.

You might imply that I don't think the reasons are genuinely even a little bit tragic very often.

Decent, honest people don't take things that were never meant for them.

A male person "identifying" as a woman and using OUR spaces and OUR sporting categories for a self-focussed reason, even if that reason is genuinely a bit tragic, is not a decent and honest person.

So people who start handwringing about their "simply lovely" transwomen pal being "sooooo lovely and unassuming and not dangerous at all"... well you're just wrong. He goes in the women's loo? No sorry, your "lovely" friends is a fucking selfish twunt.

You'd think even if male people with TQ+ identities didn't know what it felt like to be a woman they'd have the basic empathy and interest in other people's needs, feelings, inclusion, privacy and dignity that they value so highly for themselves. And would have the capacity to care about women's voices and needs and look for compromises that worked for all.

There is also the additional issue that 'gender' is fluid and can be changed. It is an unreliable variable because it can only reflect the the gender someone identified as at the time of conviction. They could have been a different gender when they committed the crime and that would not be recorded. And none of it is verifiable.

It would be useful to have the information, but I think it could also be meaningless in a way too.

Stay out of our sports, our private spaces, our classrooms, our identity. If you really felt like a woman, you’d support real women.

This is a key point.

If 'transwomen' actually understood what it felt like to be a real women, they'd understand the need for men to keep out of these spaces.

@PoddleOn
Not to derail the thread, but the menopause issue is a really interesting one when we think about the media. The last few months has seen a sudden (and what I'm sure will be short-lived) interest in the menopause. There has been a lot, in particular, on the BBC, about its effects and the struggles women have had to be listened to about it. Yet whilst that is going on, the media is still pretending that TWAW. The lack of any logic amongst corporations which are surely run by people who are both intelligent and well-educated, makes me suspect that it's not that they lack logic, but that they lack principles and honesty.
At the other end of the biological scale, DD, coming up to GCSEs is having a hard time with periods. She's asked to go on the pill to try to settle them and a surprisingly large number of the girls she knows at school have already done that. Boys have many other issues and problems which I am not in any way minimising (there are some very interesting studies on how the current school and learning system doesn't work for boys) BUT boys don't have to deal with having, say, heavy periods every 21 days.
Anyway, sorry all for the slight derail but all these things are relevant to the bigger picture about why there are clear power imbalances between men and women and therefore why we can't allow sex-based rights for women to be diluted into meaninglessless.

And as a side note, you keep mentioning HRT…. You do know there is a shortage of HRT and that women who genuinely need it (like myself for example who had to have a total hysterectomy at 32) are sometimes not able too?
Outrageous that’s it’s being given to men.

No. It’s not comparable. A black person is exactly that, a person with black skin. They were born as black people, they have struggled as black people. If a white person were to try and identify as a black person, it would rightly cause outrage.

You can put contact lenses in to change the colour of your eyes, or dye your hair to change the colour of your hair but it’s hasn’t changed the actual eye colour of hair colour, it’s effectively an illusion.

A trans woman is exactly that, a trans woman. And if trans women were only pursuing that narrative, then your so called “cis” women (funny how we aren’t allowed to have an opinion on that labelling isn’t it?!) would by and large be totally supportive of your choices.

But this constant battle that you wage over “we are real women” is obscene and as women who were born as women, have experienced a whole life as women with all that that entails, have struggled as women and suffered as women now being told that we are bigots if we don’t conform to your twisted ideology of what a woman is. You expect our unwavering support?!

A man has committed heinous crimes and is being reported in the press as a woman. It’s insanity. It is the emperors new clothes!

By saying you are a woman because you “feel” like a woman is ridiculous. How can you know how women feel? Are you just relating your life to the gender stereotypes that are apparently so harmful to us all?

You are born as a man or a woman. How you choose to live your life is entirely up to you but you are not and never will be a woman.

Stay out of our sports, our private spaces, our classrooms, our identity. If you really felt like a woman, you’d support real women.

If you have to spend a lifetime fighting against the physiology of your otherwise perfectly healthy body, because it does not naturally comply with an extreme fantasy that you are stuck in a body of the wrong sex, then this is an illness, imvho, and it is not an illness caused by the healthy body, but one caused by the unwell mind. Harming the body to comply with the mind’s desires does not cure the illness, as the fight between the body and mind goes on for the lifetime of the trans person, regardless - the body will otherwise attempt to re-masculinise or re-feminise.

It is not fair to insist women put up with men in their sports, prisons and statistical data to safeguard what are, basically, unwell men’s fantasies. It’s even more dangerous now people are simply self-identifying, as that provides zero protection from perverts and psychopaths who get off on playing “women.”

You are not a woman just because you think you are a woman, any more than you are a cat just because you think you are a cat.