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To think DH should do more around the house?

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wonderings2 · 22/02/2024 14:08

Moaney post...sorry...

DH and I both work full time, I WFH & he works a 10 drive away. He earns about 20-30% more than me and I contribute a slightly lower percentage of my salary to shared pot. We have DD (5) who is in school a 1 1/2 miles away.

DH's jobs:

Puts DD to bed (I set out the PJ's, sort a drink and book to read - he does the rest)
Takes DD to his Nans at the weekend for 2 hours so I get a "break"
Put the bins out
Go and see my Dad once a week (this takes 2 hours)
Cuts the grass in the summer
Sorts out car MoT's, services etc

My jobs:

Buy, prepare, cook and clean up the food
All tidying and cleaning in the house
All washing and ironing, putting clothes away
All birthday, Christmas, anniversary cards and presents. (Including DD's, DD's friends & his family)
All school runs (it would be possible for him to do a few week)
All school activities, booking school meals, homework, school clubs, parent workshops etc (Christmas was bonkers as we know)

All other gardening that isn't cutting the grass.
Buy and sort DD;s clothes, donate old clothes buy school uniform (two weeks before she started he didn't even know what colour jumper she needed)
Order his mums food shop, make sure her phone is topped up, order her things on online and any admin etc

For three Saturdays in a row he sat on the sofa literally all day and watched TV while I tried to catch up with everything, I didn't stop all day cooking cleaning, washing ironing and he sat on the sofa and watched me.
From May to September he'll be out most Saturdays from lunch time until 8pm playing cricket.

Im so effing tired and worn down, I had a run of poor mental health last year and let the house get in a bit of a muddle (obviously everyone was fed and clothed and DD's room is always clean and tidy) but our bedroom especially got really bad & I dropped the haircuts, nails etc. I'm feeling much better now and gradually chipping away at everything but whenever I point out that he should help he just points out the bedroom and asks why he should bother?

Whenever I raise it (which I do all the time) he claims he does more than most men he knows, that he doesn't know any men that cook and that he's fed up of me having a go at him, hes tired after being at work all day, I cant possibly understand how stressful is job is sometimes etc etc

I'm so torn because he can be kind and generous and is good Dad (aside from setting terrible example about the division of household labor) He would never admit it but he honestly thinks that the house and childcare is for women to do.

In all honestly I wouldn't ever expect everything to be divided fairly and I know most women have to do more but is this really the norm? Am I just lazy and a terrible housewife because I cant keep on top of everything, do I just need to pull my big pants up and get on with it?

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wonderings2 · 22/02/2024 16:15

Thank you for all the suggestions, it was too much to put in one post but I've tried writing lists, using apps, I even did a survey on unpaid labor on the ONS website for both our workloads and sent him the results, I honestly don't think I'll get through to him.

I've threatened to leave and even mentioned that I had spoken to a mortgage advisor to see if I can buy him out of the house (I probably can- just) and although he did look a bit shocked he just says it would be cruel to to spilt the family up don't I realise what I nice life I could have ....

I know Im not BU really but when him and and my mum are always saying its not that bad, I should think myself lucky etc you start to doubt yourself. I knew I would get a honest answer here and you have all made me feel so much better - thank you 🙌

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DorotheaHomeAlone · 22/02/2024 16:14

On a practical level this can be fixed to some extent with a cleaner and by you simply dropping tasks that are clearly his (like setting out the pjs and doing admin for his mum, presents for his family and his laundry). That would probably just about lighten the load enough for you to continue struggling on.

But even that wouldn’t fix the underlying problem, which is that your partner in life doesn’t respect you or care about your wellbeing. He doesn’t view you as equal to him and would rather watch you struggle and burnout than pick up his share of the load. Only he can change that and without a drastic change and an acknowledgment of the damage his selfishness has already caused I think this marriage will eventually drown in your hurt and resentment.

ChangeAgain2 · 22/02/2024 16:11

wonderings2 · 22/02/2024 16:03

Regarding the comments about getting a cleaner..... I didn't to return work until DD was nearly three, I went back four days a week and made him promise he would help around the house, obviously he didn't, I then went full time and again said I couldn't cope and I would arrange and pay for a cleaner - he was horrified, I pointed out that if he wasn't going to do it and he didn't think I should pay for someone else to do it, that only left me. In hindsight he just doesn't value housework enough to think anyone should be paid to do it and honestly cant understand why I cant do it all myself - it what women do after all 😤

But fuck it, I'm going to get a cleaner

Basically he wants to live in the 1950s but also wants you to work full time. He can't have it both ways. He is either the provider and your the home maker or your a team.

wonderings2 · 22/02/2024 16:03

Regarding the comments about getting a cleaner..... I didn't to return work until DD was nearly three, I went back four days a week and made him promise he would help around the house, obviously he didn't, I then went full time and again said I couldn't cope and I would arrange and pay for a cleaner - he was horrified, I pointed out that if he wasn't going to do it and he didn't think I should pay for someone else to do it, that only left me. In hindsight he just doesn't value housework enough to think anyone should be paid to do it and honestly cant understand why I cant do it all myself - it what women do after all 😤

But fuck it, I'm going to get a cleaner

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wonderings2 · 22/02/2024 15:57

Aquamarine1029 · 22/02/2024 14:43

I'm asking genuinely, how is it that you tolerate this kind of treatment? Did your childhood set you up to believe this is normal and ok? If so, you are condemning your daughter to the same future. This gross inequity will be her normal, too.

Your husband is fucking awful.

Pretty much, obviously it sounds bonkers now but I was only 19 when we met, I came from a family that was chaotic, money was always an issue, emotionally immature parents no stability in anything and he had a good job for his age, was always calm, stable, kind. He had the kind of childhood where his Dads PJ's and slippers were actually laid out for him 🙄so he thought it was normal. We moved in together relatively young and I just never managed to change things.

If I complain to my mum now she just says "well you have it far easier than I ever did" "Men are useless what do you expect" while DH comes from a working class family, we were "below" that really and mum makes it clear that I should be grateful that I'm not stuck in council flat with a bloke that doesn't work and gets stoned all day (very much the norm where I grew up) its made it clear I should consider myself as "done well"

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Sunnydays0101 · 22/02/2024 14:53

Obviously, the first thing to do is stop doing stuff for his Mum and present buying for his family, let him get your DD’s pj’s books sorted, don’t do any laundry or ironing for him.

He’s actually not kind or generous or a good Dad when saying things like he does more than most men, he’s tired, etc. He is being lazy and disrespectful.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 22/02/2024 14:49

Also he is not a 'good dad'. Yes your daughter loves him. But kids love shit parents as much as decent parents. I'm sure he had fun with her sometimes. But a good parent -

  • takes their kid to school and picks them up
  • stays at home with them when they are ill
  • is a good role model
  • facilitates a smooth family life
  • happily spends time alone with their kids and can meet their basic needs - cook for them, do their washing, homework, etc as well as the 'fun' bits
  • doesn't spend entire weekends sitting on their arse
LorlieS · 22/02/2024 14:49

I still don't understand why so many women put up with this sort of behaviour?!

BodenCardiganNot · 22/02/2024 14:46

Would you want your daughter to end up in a relationship with someone like him?

stemmedroses · 22/02/2024 14:45

He is awful. Being able to sit on the sofa and watch you clean up after him is so selfish. Leaving his family every Saturday for 6 hours to play cricket; unless he's getting paid for it, that would be a No. Do you get to have hobbies?

Honestly I think the love would be gone for me at this point but if you're willing to give him another chance, I would give him a list which splits everything 50/50 and give him one chance to engage with it.

If he doesn't, I'd leave him.

BodenCardiganNot · 22/02/2024 14:45

*I'm so torn because he can be kind and generous and is good Dad (aside from setting terrible example about the division of household labor) He would never admit it but he honestly thinks that the house and childcare is for women to do.

In all honestly I wouldn't ever expect everything to be divided fairly and I know most women have to do more but is this really the norm? Am I just lazy and a terrible housewife because I cant keep on top of everything, do I just need to pull my big pants up and get on with it?*

Don't delude yourself. A good dad would not treat his child's mother the way he is treating you.

Aquamarine1029 · 22/02/2024 14:43

I'm asking genuinely, how is it that you tolerate this kind of treatment? Did your childhood set you up to believe this is normal and ok? If so, you are condemning your daughter to the same future. This gross inequity will be her normal, too.

Your husband is fucking awful.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 22/02/2024 14:42

Either that or tell him that if he is into traditional gender roles and. since you do everything at home, he can be in charge of earning money (which you will have free access to and equal say over, since he benefits equally from everything house and child related being done by you).

What a pathetic specimen (too stressful a job to do any tidying!)

Therealjudgejudy · 22/02/2024 14:42

He is a lazy twat. Stop doing everything for him from now on.

Cuppachuchu · 22/02/2024 14:42

Picklestop · 22/02/2024 14:22

I would instantly stop washing and ironing his clothes and stop doing his mother’s admin.

Of course this split is not normal, you are being taken for a mug.

This. Don't do his mother's stuff, he should be doing that.
You should be arranging nice stuff for yourself, and getting a break just like he does. You are his wife, not the housekeeper! Be more selfish, he is.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 22/02/2024 14:40

'I don't know any men that cook'. That's the equivalent of teens saying 'no one else's parents make them do chores!'

He does fuck all and I think you need to change your mindset a bit - you are even choosing a book and setting out pyjamas for him!

You say "In all honestly I wouldn't ever expect everything to be divided fairly and I know most women have to do more"...raise your expectations. You do not deserve to do someone else's share on top of your own, its absolutely reasonable to expect to only do your share, and women who expect this as a minimum have more chance of getting it

You also say he is kind and generous...he absolutely isn't! It's not 'kind' to give someone else 95% of your jobs so that you can relax more. It's not generous to nab 95% of the available leisure time, by forcing your partner to do all the work. It's unkind to basically call your partner a nag, when they tell you how tired you are, and its actually disrespectful to try and gaslight them that it's normal, and his weekend sat on his ass is somehow more stressful than your week working and doing EVERYTHING.

I think you need to seriously think about splitting up. Look into finance etc. Ultimately your life will be easier without having to look after another adult who doesn't contribute, snd you will have sime child free time to regroup and wont have to be around someone who disrespecta you and dismisses your feelings.

I'd start by telling him this is your last chance, you are pissed off enough about this to leave, its your relationship no one else's so what everyone else does is irrelevant and you're not happy, if you split he will have to do his own fucking cooking and laundry and chores if he wants to provide a good environment for his daughter to stay, and you will actually be better off in a practical sense by yourself. There will be no more chances, no reminders, you have the right to boundaries and if he doesn't like these he is welcome to leave but if he wants your relationship to continue he needs to do his share, without prompting or reminding or delaying or complaining and if he tries to gaslight you into believing that a fair split of Labour isn't 'normal' then you're not interested in being with him.

NerrSnerr · 22/02/2024 14:36

There are too many lazy and selfish men around. My husband and I love each other so don't want the other one to be unhappy which means that we both try and ease the load from the other one. I haven't been well this week so have done a lot less than usual, when he's unwell next I'll do the same.

If the person who is supposed to love you the most is going to sit and watch you work your arse off and not offer to do any of it then maybe they don't love you as much as they should.

Aria999 · 22/02/2024 14:36

Also his deeply sexist attitude is appalling.

Men should do x, women should do y.

You are both working parents in a partnership. Who is a man or a woman is irrelevant.

pointythings · 22/02/2024 14:32

He is a lazy selfish shitbag. He is not a good dad, he's teaching his DD that her role is to be a pandering skivvy. You work full time, therefore housework should be fully 50/50. Time for a come to Jesus talk, and consequences if he doesn't step up. Yes, this is divorceworthy.

Aquamarine1029 · 22/02/2024 14:31

You're allowing yourself to be his skivvy, and it is absolutely not normal. It's like you're his mother, not his partner.

EarringsandLipstick · 22/02/2024 14:31

Do you really have to ask if you're being AIBU?

For three Saturdays in a row he sat on the sofa literally all day and watched TV while I tried to catch up with everything, I didn't stop all day cooking cleaning, washing ironing and he sat on the sofa and watched me.

What did you say to him on each of these Saturdays? Did you not tell him he was being a lazy arse & make a suggestion as to what he could do?

The level of martyrdom is crazy.

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 22/02/2024 14:29

gamerchick · 22/02/2024 14:15

It doesn't matter "what other men do" it's what happens in your house and between you is what matters.

Ask him why he thinks you should do the lions share. Then tell him when he predictably answers that he's to take care of himself from now on.

His laundry
His cooking
His mother.
His admin (birthday cards, gifts etc)

Tell him that his selfishness is a nail in a coffin of a marriage, one at a time and he has to take on more before your head explodes and end up divorcing him anyway.

Edited

This 100%

Why is relaxing and down time more important than yours? , I’d be telling him that he either steps up or the marriage will end.

Slanketblanket · 22/02/2024 14:28

You see your dad and you ditch all the stuff you do for his mum and all his presents as a start.

barkymcbark · 22/02/2024 14:27

Sit him down with that list and ask him if he thinks it's fair.

If he argues or refuses to pull his weight I'd down tools for him and his mother.

If that had no impact I'd make plans to leave

mondaytosunday · 22/02/2024 14:27

Can you afford a cleaner? He can pay for it if he's not willing to do his part!