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School detention for forgetting a ruler?

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Wizardo · 22/02/2024 11:04

Just interested - how many people have secondary school aged kids whose school gives a detention for forgetting basic equipment like a ruler?

I wonder does it really teach kids to be organised. Surely it just means disorganised people get lots of detentions? And feeds anxiety?

My schooling in the 90s felt pretty strict but this seems borderline bonkers. My dd currently “can’t borrow a school library book for the rest of the year” as she’s so anxious about getting a detention because she handed her last book in two weeks late. So now we are visiting our local library instead to provide her with books to read! I have obviously told her to just get the detention over and done with but she is adamant and determined to avoid it.

vote Yabu for No detention given
and Yanbu for Detention given.

OP posts:
SnapdragonToadflax · 22/02/2024 18:07

Normandy144 · 22/02/2024 11:27

I think it's warranted. They need to remember to organise themselves and prepare for the day ahead. It shouldn't cause anxiety. If anything, giving them the tools to prepare and plan for the day ahead is part of life skills and should ease their anxiety knowing they have planned ahead and are organised. If they need help with this then help them. When I have to go into the office I have to remember to pack my bag, make sure my laptop and lunch is ready the night before and generally get everything ready so that I turn up the next day ready to work. My employer wouldn't be impressed if I turned up having forgotten my laptop and phone.

See, I have turned up without my laptop before. Twice, in fact. No idea how I managed it. (I suspect I have inattentive ADHD but see no point in getting a diagnosis.)

My employer - or rather the IT department - laughed at me and gave me a spare. No detention. No shame. A hassle for me because it wasn't set up how I like it, but other than that we all just got on with things.

Goldenbear · 22/02/2024 18:06

By the sounds of it all these draconian behaviour systems don't really work at all then as the classroom behaviour is worse than is has ever been, by all accounts on here!

Chocolatebuttonns · 22/02/2024 18:05

hamsterchump · 22/02/2024 18:04

Good comeback.

You're embarrassing yourself now honestly. Let's leave it. You've "won"... If that's what you believe

thebillcollector · 22/02/2024 18:05

Newbutoldfather · 22/02/2024 17:53

@FrippEnos and @Chocolatebuttonns ,

Drinking generally isn’t allowed in labs, for fairly obvious reasons.

And I do find it strange how, when I was at school, literally no one would drink in lessons, as water bottles just weren’t a thing (and we had long days and long periods between breaks).

Now you get pupils asking to drink as they are suddenly desperately thirsty and might get a headache….

I've just checked the detention details and he was in fact drinking water in the science lab. He knows he shouldn't do this so he absolutely deserved the detention. I'm the mum and I agree with the detention. Young teens can be really defiant and they need to learn when, and when not, to question authority.

toomanyleggings · 22/02/2024 18:05

hamsterchump · 22/02/2024 17:55

It's almost as if some children don't always tell the truth, even to their Mummy or that they aren't always perfectly behaved?! Shhh there's plenty on here that couldn't take the shock.

@hamsterchump I had a dad march into my classroom ( don’t know how he got past reception) as I’d sent his son out for ‘putting something in the bin’. How could he possibly be punished for recycling?! The real story was he was repeatedly throwing paper balls across the room in the general direction of the bin by the board including while I was standing at that board trying to teach. Kids often tell a version of a story.

hamsterchump · 22/02/2024 18:04

Chocolatebuttonns · 22/02/2024 18:03

Ok Hun. Blush

Good comeback.

Chocolatebuttonns · 22/02/2024 18:03

hamsterchump · 22/02/2024 17:52

The argument! The fact that you've been reduced to making ad hominem attacks just proves it.

Ok Hun. Blush

wubwubwub · 22/02/2024 17:59

Chocolatebuttonns · 22/02/2024 17:35

A detention for drinking water? Christ.

I think you fail to realise how badly behaved/violent kids are in schools.
.and how disruptive things like water bottles can be.... It's not the drinking water that's the actual problem in of itself...

It's the kids fiddling with bottles (tapping, crunching , spinning, flipping, retrieving from bag), wanting to refill them in the middle of lesson, spilling water, deliberately pouring water on desks/paper/carpets/other pupils, spitting water out, throwing the bottles around/at people, people remarking that "Oi! Kelly's got vodka in he water bottle" ...and any other mischief a bored teenager can think of.

Easiest to ban water bottles in the classroom/make them keep them in bags.

Goldenbear · 22/02/2024 17:59

hamsterchump · 22/02/2024 17:55

It's almost as if some children don't always tell the truth, even to their Mummy or that they aren't always perfectly behaved?! Shhh there's plenty on here that couldn't take the shock.

It's almost as if people have no imagination and can't comprehend a different point of view and reduce all debate to winning and losing.

FrippEnos · 22/02/2024 17:56

Newbutoldfather · 22/02/2024 17:53

@FrippEnos and @Chocolatebuttonns ,

Drinking generally isn’t allowed in labs, for fairly obvious reasons.

And I do find it strange how, when I was at school, literally no one would drink in lessons, as water bottles just weren’t a thing (and we had long days and long periods between breaks).

Now you get pupils asking to drink as they are suddenly desperately thirsty and might get a headache….

There are also computer rooms ( I have had to empty keyboards of water and juice before now) and some technology labs.
But in standard classrooms its strange.
I also agree that the constant drinking of water didn't used to be a thing.

hamsterchump · 22/02/2024 17:55

Newbutoldfather · 22/02/2024 17:53

@FrippEnos and @Chocolatebuttonns ,

Drinking generally isn’t allowed in labs, for fairly obvious reasons.

And I do find it strange how, when I was at school, literally no one would drink in lessons, as water bottles just weren’t a thing (and we had long days and long periods between breaks).

Now you get pupils asking to drink as they are suddenly desperately thirsty and might get a headache….

It's almost as if some children don't always tell the truth, even to their Mummy or that they aren't always perfectly behaved?! Shhh there's plenty on here that couldn't take the shock.

Newbutoldfather · 22/02/2024 17:53

@FrippEnos and @Chocolatebuttonns ,

Drinking generally isn’t allowed in labs, for fairly obvious reasons.

And I do find it strange how, when I was at school, literally no one would drink in lessons, as water bottles just weren’t a thing (and we had long days and long periods between breaks).

Now you get pupils asking to drink as they are suddenly desperately thirsty and might get a headache….

hamsterchump · 22/02/2024 17:52

Chocolatebuttonns · 22/02/2024 17:50

Loser? What have I lost?!

The argument! The fact that you've been reduced to making ad hominem attacks just proves it.

Chocolatebuttonns · 22/02/2024 17:50

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Loser? What have I lost?!

FrippEnos · 22/02/2024 17:50

Chocolatebuttonns · 22/02/2024 17:35

A detention for drinking water? Christ.

It is rare for a school not to allow drinking in lessons.
So the school must have had a reason for that.

But then it is only on here that the children drinking never make it in to a huge drama.

The rattling, banging, slurping, bubbling, gurgling, gargling, hissing, dropping and flipping of the bottle.

But then there is a huge difference between taking a quick sip and creating a drama out of it.

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wubwubwub · 22/02/2024 17:44

Chocolatebuttonns · 22/02/2024 13:30

If they'd rather their children couldn't borrow equipment and have detention that's absolutely fine.

So where's the money coming from to pay for all the equivalent?

Or is it that only those who paid get to borrow?

Who's policing which parents have paid?

Chocolatebuttonns · 22/02/2024 17:44

hamsterchump · 22/02/2024 17:41

No it wasn't, it was in relation to everyone who struggles with responsibility and organisation. But you know when you've got a hammer everything starts to looks like a nail I guess.

Okay. If you say so. We can all see your vile opinions on ND for ourselves.

lazyarse123 · 22/02/2024 17:44

I have no idea why people are arguing about neuro diversity as op has not said that her child is Nd. Children have to learn to follow the rules eventually, if you don't agree with your schools rules then home educate.
I notice no child ever forgets that vital educational resource their phone.

MumblesParty · 22/02/2024 17:42

Chocolatebuttonns · 22/02/2024 14:28

You really don't get it do you.

I haven't given up. That's why I have a job and manage to keep a child alive and a house mostly alright. Because I don't fucking give up.

What I do do, is continue to set fucking reminders, Alexa messages, post it fucking notes, get my husband to ring me, put everything on a calendar and so on and so fucking forth every single fucking day of my life and it is fucking exhausting.

And because of that I get by. Right. I get by.

But despite all of that trying which you think is so simple and straight forwards I forget things all the pissing time. All the time. You could tell me something and I will have forgotten within minutes and it will occur to me often in the middle of the night that I haven't done it. I can set an Alexa reminder but If I so much as think of something else before I get up and do that thing it has often gone.

I write everything down. Everything. But I sometimes forget to check.

I cannot programme my brain like you can yours. It is not an option for me to "give up".

I sincerely hope you are not a teacher. Sincerely.

@Chocolatebuttonns I think most working Mums feel like that. I’m not ND but I’m a working single parent and my life revolves around lists and reminders. I have an ongoing master list and daily sub-lists. I would literally rather lose my purse than my list, because without it I’d be completely lost. I have multiple reminders on my phone. Being a parent is hard work.

hamsterchump · 22/02/2024 17:41

Chocolatebuttonns · 22/02/2024 17:37

I think your response about strategies was in relation to ND as if you were the first person ever to think about it. It wasn't just me that took issue with it either.

No it wasn't, it was in relation to everyone who struggles with responsibility and organisation. But you know when you've got a hammer everything starts to looks like a nail I guess.

hamsterchump · 22/02/2024 17:40

Chocolatebuttonns · 22/02/2024 17:36

I never said it was about me. You really don't need to keep attacking me with this whole 'the world doesn't revolve around you'

I'm well aware. I'm just pointing out your ignorance around ND. But you're actually doing a really good job of that yourself.

Well you don't seem able to talk about anything else other than yourself. Otherwise why are you so against children who necessarily don't know everything yet, because they're children, being given help and strategies that will help them their whole lives by the people that are meant to know them best, their parents? The only reason can be that you're so self obsessed you got offended and upset and now can't see past the end of your nose.

Goldenbear · 22/02/2024 17:38

Noodledoodledoo · 22/02/2024 17:21

The amount of 'forgotten' equipment students find in their bags/blazers etc is amazing. For a large number of students it really is a CBA attitude to putting effort into sorting themselves out!

For those saying it must take ages to issue points etc. I can add them to our system for multiple students by ticking the names and then adding en masse to all, takes 30 secs max for however many students I need it for. Same system I used to add merits.

Yes, systems that do sweet FA other than make children feel inadequate over a pencil or totally non plussed about being rewarded for having one, surveillance, surveillance, surveillance. Pointless data accumulating on some cloud somewhere, how did we ever manage without such systems!

Parents are allowed, people are allowed to have an opinion on education and how it is delivered. Striving for perfection is incredibly damaging to young people and their cognitive development, people are allowed to hold that opinion.

Chocolatebuttonns · 22/02/2024 17:37

I think your response about strategies was in relation to ND as if you were the first person ever to think about it. It wasn't just me that took issue with it either.

Chocolatebuttonns · 22/02/2024 17:36

hamsterchump · 22/02/2024 17:35

You're the one who keeps bringing up stupidity, I think you've got a chip on your shoulder. You don't have to be stupid to not have all the knowledge in the world, stop trying to twist this into a discrimination issue, neuro typical people are frequently forgetful and disorganised and haven't necessarily heard all the strategies that can help. Again not everything is about you, you don't need to be so sensitive.

I never said it was about me. You really don't need to keep attacking me with this whole 'the world doesn't revolve around you'

I'm well aware. I'm just pointing out your ignorance around ND. But you're actually doing a really good job of that yourself.

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