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AIBU to wonder if sleep training negatively impacts a child (attachment theory)?

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user666555 · 19/02/2024 17:19

Hi,

So this isn't a thread to bash anyone who has sleep trained. I'm genuinely curious of people's experiences with sleep training. I'd genuinely like to hear people's opinions especially those that have sleep trained.

A big part of my degree was child psychology focused and I learnt about the attachment theory and how children require stable attachments with their caregivers during the early years of their lives in order to go on to form secure attachments. However, I'm curious as to whether sleep training impacts this? I understand that in hindsight it's a small part of a child's life where they're being taught to self soothe. However, everything I've always been taught in relation to psychology has always focused on the importance of being present and not allowing a child to stay in distress in those early years (if you can help it, of course this isn't always possible).

So my question is, AIBU to wonder if sleep training impacts children in the long term?

Again, I'm not opposed to gentle sleep training (at an appropriate age of course) however, I've always wondered this.

P.S. I was once having a conversation with my DDs health visitor who was telling me about babies who have mums that do not tend to their cries (often due to drug abuse/abuse in general) and those babies stop crying as much. She said this isn't because the babies have soothed themselves. It's because the babies learnt that their needs won't be met by crying so they developed avoidant attachment styles as they felt as though their needs are unheard. She mentioned that work has to be done with these babies and children to allow them to rely on caregivers again - I know this isn't the same but I found this so heartbreaking.

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Spinet · 19/02/2024 17:56

thebestinterest · 19/02/2024 17:54

No sleep training here. We respond to dd with love and warmth and understanding whenever she’s under stress. Sleep training is cruel. The science has been proven that it’s harmful, so I don’t understand why parents keep gloating about their ‘ success ‘ ? Your 5 yr is independent and knows to self soothe??? In 20 yrs from now, Ask your child’s partner if they’d agree with that statement!

Leaving an infant or young toddler to cry it out is neglectful mothering/fathering. Most adults can’t regulate themselves when stressed and you’re asking a young, immature brain to do it?

I think some people would argue that helping a baby learn to sleep is responding to it with love, warmth, and understanding. Leaving it to cry for hours on end is indeed cruel, but that's not what sleep training is.

DaisyHaites · 19/02/2024 17:54

I was sleep trained. I have no mental health issues, have a number of strong personal relationships and a good marriage with my husband. I’m independent and self starting, but probably lacking in empathy and I’m a bit inconsiderate of others feelings unless I consciously remind myself to take them into account.

But who’s to know if any of that derives from being sleep trained.

thebestinterest · 19/02/2024 17:54

No sleep training here. We respond to dd with love and warmth and understanding whenever she’s under stress. Sleep training is cruel. The science has been proven that it’s harmful, so I don’t understand why parents keep gloating about their ‘ success ‘ ? Your 5 yr is independent and knows to self soothe??? In 20 yrs from now, Ask your child’s partner if they’d agree with that statement!

Leaving an infant or young toddler to cry it out is neglectful mothering/fathering. Most adults can’t regulate themselves when stressed and you’re asking a young, immature brain to do it?

Natsku · 19/02/2024 17:51

My anecdotal input is that my non-sleep-trained DD was the one to develop attachment issues (but tbf, there was good, non-sleep related, reasons for that) while my sleep-trained DS has a very secure and loving attachment to me (he's 6 now)

There's a world of difference between sleep training and leaving a child in distress for long periods of time.

Icepop79 · 19/02/2024 17:50

I was back working full-time and my son was still waking 3-5 times every night. I was absolutely broken. There were some mornings when I could barely look at him when I left the house to go to work. There were times when I hated him for how exhausted he was making me, how much he was impacting on my relationship with his older sister (too tired to be there for her). If that had been allowed to continue, his and my attachment would have been damaged irrevocably. Instead, we used a sleep consultant and after 2 nights of gentle sleep training, he slept through on the 3rd night.

If anyone even attempts to suggest that those 2 nights did more harm to our attachment than the weeks and months of sleep deprivation I would laugh at them.

9 years on, my fantastic adorable son is thriving and secure.

Spinet · 19/02/2024 17:41

I think if you consistently ignore your child's distress they will suffer. But I don't think sleep training is doing that. Tbh I never did it because it wasn't my style, but I think giving a small child room to learn to sleep on its own is completely fine. Of course there's going to be crying from someone whose only means of communication is crying. But I don't think a child can get used to being ignored because you're leaving it alone to sleep, at sleeping time, when it's tired. And I don't think those cries are necessarily distress (though I suppose they might be sometimes and that's why you don't leave the child indefinitely).

DisappearingGirl · 19/02/2024 17:40

Escapetunnelalmostcomplete · 19/02/2024 17:26

I think it boils down to common sense. You won't damage your baby if you don't respond to every squeak they make. If you are leaving them screaming for hours then yes they will suffer ill effects. The sweet spot is somewhere in the middle and will depend on the personality and needs of individual DC. I left mine to cry a bit as a baby and he's a very confident happy teen now. I just did what felt right for him at the time. I'd imagine sleep deprivation would also have a negative effect on DC so sometimes you need to balance the two.

I agree so much with this post.

Some of the "data" about sleep training affecting attachment is taken from poor babies in Romanian orphanages whose needs were constantly ignored as they were left in cots on their own day and night. Yes I can imagine this would affect their attachment. Ditto the babies of abused or drug addicted mums in your OP.

However I personally believe that doing a bit of careful sleep training with an otherwise well loved baby is unlikely to affect their attachment. As the above poster says, you have to balance it against the harms of the whole family being sleep deprived.

I only have anecdotal evidence but my DD1 really struggled to nap as a baby and by bedtime she was beside herself with over tiredness. So we did some sleep training which worked well. I'm pretty sure it hasn't affected her attachment to me or her ability to ask for what she needs/wants!

I really feel angry at new mums being made to feel they will damage their child if they are not rocking them every hour of the day and night.

ACynicalDad · 19/02/2024 17:38

My kids both got it in a handful of nights, and because of that, we've slept well their entire lives and been better equipped to care for them. Kids are now mid-primary age and seem fantastic. I'd do it again and recommend it to anyone.

Lizzieregina · 19/02/2024 17:35

It was never necessary for me to sleep train my own kids as they got there very organically by themselves at a young age. If I’d had to though, I definitely would have.

I had to sleep train kids I was caring for (as per their parents’ guidelines) and it took a day and the kids were absolutely fine.

I agree with a PP that gentle sleep training is not even close to consistently ignoring a child and not meeting their needs.

KateLizAn · 19/02/2024 17:32

With my children we did ‘gentle sleep training’ - they’re all attached to us but have totally different ways of showing it. My eldest wouldn’t tolerate co sleeping EVER and isn’t a big cuddler, my youngest would co sleep forever if possible and wants to be pressed up against someone at all times if possible.

As another poster said; this will all be anecdotal and who knows what is nature vs nurture (except in extreme cases as you describe above).

user666555 · 19/02/2024 17:29

@Rtmhwales thank you for sharing. I'm actually asking because I'm open to possibly considering it if things don't get better with my DD after she's a bit older. I have minimal family support and my partner works long hours and drives for a living so cannot be too sleep deprived for that reason.

My DD has CMPA and terrible colic and reflux. At the moment I believe she's too young (12 weeks) but it's been really tough. I'm not against maybe trying it after she's 8ish months if things don't improve but I always re think what I was taught and have reservations about sleep training, it's to hear from someone like yourself who has a similar background but had a positive experience of sleep training.

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Escapetunnelalmostcomplete · 19/02/2024 17:26

I think it boils down to common sense. You won't damage your baby if you don't respond to every squeak they make. If you are leaving them screaming for hours then yes they will suffer ill effects. The sweet spot is somewhere in the middle and will depend on the personality and needs of individual DC. I left mine to cry a bit as a baby and he's a very confident happy teen now. I just did what felt right for him at the time. I'd imagine sleep deprivation would also have a negative effect on DC so sometimes you need to balance the two.

Rtmhwales · 19/02/2024 17:23

Everything you’ll have replied here will be anecdotal. I sleep trained my DS and he’s a very confident, outgoing and happy five year old now who just told me he “loves me sixty two billion” thirty seconds ago. So I think he’s fine. I also have my PhD in child psychology so had the same wonderings you had, but I’ve ended up with a content boy who sleeps through the night without fail so for us it was the right choice. I was a single parent when he was little though so I didn’t have anyone to share the nights which may have influenced my decisions.