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Roundabout collision - who is at fault? With diagram

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Notcheekyvimto · 18/02/2024 11:59

Involved in a collision today at a roundabout.

Both lanes go straight on. The left lane leads to a left turn only shortly afterwards hence lots of people use the right lane to go straight, road markings are clear both lanes permit going straight.

Left hand exit is a car park for a local park marked in green ‘park’.

Red car travels in the right lane to go straight on, indicates left and starts to pull off.

Blue car comes from the park and intends to turn straight or right, into the path of red car.

Red car brakes but cannot stop in time and blue car is damaged on the drivers side, red car on the passengers corner side.

Who is at fault?

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NotARealWookiie · 19/02/2024 19:55

It’s blues fault for not looking and entering the roundabout then signalling incorrectly but unfortunately I think the fact you didn’t see them and crashed into them means it will end up 50:50

linsey2581 · 19/02/2024 19:53
  1. this is a circle. A roundabout is something you play on.
  2. Blue car is at fault for not checking.
WhatNoUsername · 19/02/2024 19:51

I think it's the red car's fault technically. He was crossing a lane to pull off so should have checked it was clear before doing so. The blue car was already on the roundabout at the point of collision so the right of way (already on the roundabout) rule wouldn't apply.

In reality in those situations you just adapt your speed to allow the cars to progress as needed. If the red car was slightly in front then the blue car should have slowed to allow it to exit and vice versa. So perhaps it will be found to be 50/50.

Q2C4 · 19/02/2024 19:51

This case highlights exactly why I think roundabouts are inherently unsafe. I've been having this debate (this exact senario) with my husband for years, as a theoretical "but what if" discussion and concluded that, as has happened here, both parties think they are in the right because the rules of the roundabout are not sufficiently clear.

Thefaceofboe · 19/02/2024 19:48

Scary how so many of you on here don’t understand how round-abouts work. The blue car pulled into OP’s lane, whether they were indicating left or not, OP had right of way…

HeidInTheBaw · 19/02/2024 19:14

I was in the same situation as the blue car, and I was blamed 🙈

GorgeousPizza · 19/02/2024 19:06

This is the exact same roundabout layout where I live… with a well known secondary school very nearby almost off the roundabout on the other side a bit further down. Anyway, blue car is in the wrong!

Teledeluxe · 19/02/2024 19:01

Pegasusforme · 18/02/2024 12:10

It will be 50/50.

Only exit a ra if it’s safe to do so after doing your observations.

What if blue car was a cyclist? Could have been fatal.

Edited

Doesn’t affect who was to blame

Ohownnoe · 19/02/2024 18:50

I had this pretty much same situation and I was the red car like you. Insurance called it 50/50 because said even though they're in the wrong lane and driving the roundabout wrong it was my fault that I wasn't aware they were in the wrong lane...

It's an easy settlement really for the insurance companies!

Dibdob27 · 19/02/2024 18:33

You have to give way to traffic on the right on a roundabout. It depends on who was on the roundabout first. It seems like it was blue as the red was already on the roundabout.

Leedsfan247 · 19/02/2024 18:29

Very simple it’s the blue car.
Highway Code clearly states ‘give way to vehicles on the right on or at the roundabout ‘

MrsPositivity1 · 19/02/2024 18:25

Blue

sarahd29 · 19/02/2024 18:14

Ex insurance claims specialist..depends where the damage is. If it’s the front ns of the red car it indicates it pulled into blue if it’s front of blue car it indicates blue pulled in to red. If it’s both 50/50

if there are no witnesses insurance will 50/50 it.

Toohot2trot · 19/02/2024 17:53

Blue car at fault, right of way is the car coming from the right

grownuplefthome · 19/02/2024 17:49

Blue car

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 19/02/2024 17:25

Blue car is at fault

JustinOtherdad · 19/02/2024 17:22

100% blue car's fault. Pulled out into traffic. Was indicating left but carried straight on. Admitted they were confused by road layout.

Just give a full account to your insurer and let them sort it out. and don't accept if they attempt to share fault.

prettybird · 19/02/2024 11:34

Blue 100% at fault.

Red was in the correct lane and going into a legitimate lane.

Blue should have checked whether anyone was already on the lane and given way to cars already on the roundabout. The fact that blue was indicating left only compounds that driver's error but doesn't change the basic error of not giving way to the right - which is the basic principle of roundabouts Confused

zingally · 19/02/2024 10:04

50/50 really. But perhaps more blues fault.

If the road markings are as you say, red wasn't wrong to be in that lane, but perhaps they didn't indicate when they should have done. Blue should have yielded to the car already on the roundabout.

DistingusedSocialCommentator · 19/02/2024 09:26

OP, let us know what the outcome is, if you have time, please.

Notcheekyvimto · 19/02/2024 08:03

@CormorantStrikesBack when I said ‘pulled off’ I meant before I pulled off the roundabout to exit not from when I entered it

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CormorantStrikesBack · 19/02/2024 07:58

@LakieLady i agree about indicating prior to leaving the roundabout. But OP says she was indicating left as she pulled off. If she is going straight on, and there’s a left hand turn before her straight on exit it sounds like she was indicating left as she entered the roundabout. So the other car could well have thought she was going to turn left. I mean they still shouldn’t have gone themselves

flatmop · 18/02/2024 20:05

When I used to deal with personal injury claims I had one that was similar to this. Drivers were both going straight ahead and the one in the left lane tried to exit in the right hand lane on the other side. They were found liable for the injuries of the person in the right hand lane.

amusedbush · 18/02/2024 19:56

NotTerfNorCis · 18/02/2024 19:30

I get that, but what if you're on a very busy roundabout? People behind you are going to get impatient.

To put it bluntly, fuck them. They can be as impatient as they like but I'm not risking a crash because Billy Big Balls is fuming behind me.

I have been driving for years and I never trust an indicator alone. I won't move until the other driver has started their manoeuvre and I'm sure it's safe to go. Billy will just have to wait a few extra seconds!

Maraa · 18/02/2024 19:36

NotTerfNorCis · 18/02/2024 19:30

I get that, but what if you're on a very busy roundabout? People behind you are going to get impatient.

True, they would be more impatient if they were stuck behind a collision though. However although this is what I taught I don’t always follow lol. And I always get annoyed at people infront of me 😂 can’t win either way 😂

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