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Roundabout collision - who is at fault? With diagram

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Notcheekyvimto · 18/02/2024 11:59

Involved in a collision today at a roundabout.

Both lanes go straight on. The left lane leads to a left turn only shortly afterwards hence lots of people use the right lane to go straight, road markings are clear both lanes permit going straight.

Left hand exit is a car park for a local park marked in green ‘park’.

Red car travels in the right lane to go straight on, indicates left and starts to pull off.

Blue car comes from the park and intends to turn straight or right, into the path of red car.

Red car brakes but cannot stop in time and blue car is damaged on the drivers side, red car on the passengers corner side.

Who is at fault?

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ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 18/02/2024 14:30

I would love to hear blue cars version of events.

Timing of indicators also plays a role.

I don't think it's as simple as blue car is full to blame. Yes, they are a large contributor but red car should have been able to avoid it.

I think insurance will hold you partially liable too.

Toooldforthis36 · 18/02/2024 14:28

Blue

ZebraPensAreLife · 18/02/2024 14:25

ducksinarow123 · 18/02/2024 14:17

so do lots of other cars that know the road well.

But the blue driver said she didn't know the road well and didn't know that the road allowed the right lane for straight ahead. They followed the rules of the Highway Code and It was just a genuine accident, neither at fault imo, so likely to be 50/50.

That might have been the case if the blue car was turning left. They weren’t, so should have waited for the red car to go past (or the red car could never have got off the roundabout as the blue car would have cut them up!)

ffsgiveitarest · 18/02/2024 14:22

Looks like Wakefield, the other car is in the wrong

dapsnotplimsolls · 18/02/2024 14:21

Blue car is at fault. They probably panicked when they realised they needed to be in the right-hand lane and swung across without checking first.

Notcheekyvimto · 18/02/2024 14:20

Fionaville · 18/02/2024 14:18

50/50. Red care indicated left, so blue car thought red was turning into park. But blue car has joined the road when it wasn't safe to do.

I didn’t indicate left until after passing the park exit and anyway would have been in wrong lane to do so

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EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 18/02/2024 14:18

From your diagram it looks like the red car cut across the nose of the blue car. My suspicion would be 50/50 unless there was dash cam footage/witnesses.

Fionaville · 18/02/2024 14:18

50/50. Red care indicated left, so blue car thought red was turning into park. But blue car has joined the road when it wasn't safe to do.

richardhoymanwantshisknickersback · 18/02/2024 14:17

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 18/02/2024 12:45

I think street view makes it blue cars fault.

I would include that photo not your drawing when claiming. And say you were on the roundabout and a car pulled out and drove into you.

Edited to be clearer, photo changed my mind.

Edited

Fully agree with this.
Hope you're ok OP.

ducksinarow123 · 18/02/2024 14:17

so do lots of other cars that know the road well.

But the blue driver said she didn't know the road well and didn't know that the road allowed the right lane for straight ahead. They followed the rules of the Highway Code and It was just a genuine accident, neither at fault imo, so likely to be 50/50.

Hobbi · 18/02/2024 14:14

betterchangemynamequick · 18/02/2024 14:10

@hobbi I was already on the roundabout when red car joined at high speed. Anyway, this isn't my thread.

I assumed that was the reason - that is why I challenged you saying it was an identical situation. Red explained she wasn't speeding.

ducksinarow123 · 18/02/2024 14:13

But you wouldn't have been aware of what their indicator showed until after you collided? The indicator of the blue car is a complete non issue and wouldn't have affected your driving/decision making whether it was on or not

Notcheekyvimto · 18/02/2024 14:12

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 18/02/2024 14:07

Blue car at fault mainly but don't understand why red chose the lane they did (acknowledge the arrows but surely using the other lane is always a safer choice).

Also how did red not see blue before their maneuver?

Several opportunities on both sides to have avoided this.

Because shortly after the roundabout the left lane becomes a left turn only lane and I wanted to keep going straight, I always use the right lane for this reason to avoid making two manoeuvres, so do lots of other cars that know the road well. Otherwise you need to quickly change back to the right lane which can be difficult if the road is busy

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Hobbi · 18/02/2024 14:12

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 18/02/2024 14:07

Blue car at fault mainly but don't understand why red chose the lane they did (acknowledge the arrows but surely using the other lane is always a safer choice).

Also how did red not see blue before their maneuver?

Several opportunities on both sides to have avoided this.

The other lane isn't a safer option if 1) red needs to be in the right hand lane after the roundabout and 2) if, as explained, there are further restrictions ahead in the left lane. What makes you thing using the left lane is safest?

Notcheekyvimto · 18/02/2024 14:10

ducksinarow123 · 18/02/2024 14:09

In all fairness though, how could the red car see the blue was indicating left when they are approaching it on the right? I can't see the indicators on the side of the car that isn't visible to me

They still had the indicator on when we stopped after colliding

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betterchangemynamequick · 18/02/2024 14:10

@hobbi I was already on the roundabout when red car joined at high speed. Anyway, this isn't my thread.

ducksinarow123 · 18/02/2024 14:09

NettleTea · 18/02/2024 13:56

Oh, I missed that blue was indicating. that changes things slightly. Blue should have turned left, not carried straight on

In all fairness though, how could the red car see the blue was indicating left when they are approaching it on the right? I can't see the indicators on the side of the car that isn't visible to me

Notcheekyvimto · 18/02/2024 14:09

Goldshelfie · 18/02/2024 14:04

I think blue car was at fault, they shouldn’t have entered the roundabout at all when you were coming across it, even if they were intending to turn left. People could have come round from the other side of the roundabout and changed into the left lane when coming off after the park entrance, blue shouldn’t have entered until it was clear.

I am confused though about how you could see them indictating left, based on your positions on the road? It’s irrelevant to the situation, you were not at fault.

They still had their left indicator on when I collided with them!

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ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 18/02/2024 14:07

Blue car at fault mainly but don't understand why red chose the lane they did (acknowledge the arrows but surely using the other lane is always a safer choice).

Also how did red not see blue before their maneuver?

Several opportunities on both sides to have avoided this.

WhistPie · 18/02/2024 14:07

ducksinarow123 · 18/02/2024 13:24

See I was always taught you take the left lane of going straight ahead, in which case the red car is in the wrong (screenshot from gov.uk which confirms this)
I can see from the street view that the road does indicate you can go straight ahead in the right lane, but was the blue car driver aware of that as well? If they didn't know the area well, and wasn't aware that this was the case for this roundabout, they might have presumed that with the red car being in the right lane then they were going to continue round the roundabout, turning right.
I imagine it will probably be a 50/50 claim

I was always taught that you pay attention to the road markings and the roadside signage

Goldshelfie · 18/02/2024 14:04

I think blue car was at fault, they shouldn’t have entered the roundabout at all when you were coming across it, even if they were intending to turn left. People could have come round from the other side of the roundabout and changed into the left lane when coming off after the park entrance, blue shouldn’t have entered until it was clear.

I am confused though about how you could see them indictating left, based on your positions on the road? It’s irrelevant to the situation, you were not at fault.

Hobbi · 18/02/2024 14:02

tiger2691 · 18/02/2024 13:53

Red car only has priority if the left exit road has two lanes, if the left exit road is single lane then the red car should've been in the left lane when entering the roundabout. The diagram is somewhat confusing as it doesn't show the exits from the roundabout and their relation to the 12 o'clock rule, or how many lanes the roundabout exit roads have.

The street view image clearly shows that moving left to go straight on would have been a terrible manoeuvre. Red is in the correct lane and, even more importantly, on blues's right, giving her priority regardless.

Hobbi · 18/02/2024 13:58

NettleTea · 18/02/2024 13:54

has the straight ahead junction got 2 lanes and is there a right hand turning on the roundabout?

I believe that red car should have moved across to the outside lane on the roundabout after the left hand turning, to take the lane that the blue car was in, which would have prevented him being at the side of you - he would have been behind you

If he was already on the roundabout then I think you've pulled across him as at that point you are in the lane for continuing round the roundabout - I dont believe you should ever need to cross a lane to exit

The picture clearly shows a straight on or right arrow on the offside lane.

NettleTea · 18/02/2024 13:56

Oh, I missed that blue was indicating. that changes things slightly. Blue should have turned left, not carried straight on

NettleTea · 18/02/2024 13:54

has the straight ahead junction got 2 lanes and is there a right hand turning on the roundabout?

I believe that red car should have moved across to the outside lane on the roundabout after the left hand turning, to take the lane that the blue car was in, which would have prevented him being at the side of you - he would have been behind you

If he was already on the roundabout then I think you've pulled across him as at that point you are in the lane for continuing round the roundabout - I dont believe you should ever need to cross a lane to exit