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To ask for more money towards a flat/house?

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PepsiColaSprite · 18/02/2024 10:31

I know this will probably annoy some people and I'm fully expecting some harsh comments, but I would appreciate your advice nonetheless.

I also appreciate I'm fortunate to have had financial assistance from family already. Sorry if this is long but I want to give the full story.

My parents were alcoholics and divorced when I was 4 years old. My dad moved away soon after and we didn’t see or speak to each other for over 20 years. My mum raised me by herself whilst working a full time job as a carer and my dad didn't contribute any money etc.

Fast forward to now, I'm 29, work full time and have lived alone since I was 19. I wish I'd stayed at home and saved instead to buy my own place but unfortunately I just couldn't live there anymore due to my mums problems (thankfully, she doesn't drink anymore - Dad still does). I moved into a flat which I rented for 5 years and then moved to a family members house which I'm still renting but they want to sell soon. I have always tried to save a bit of money each month but as we all know, it’s not easy whilst paying rent/bills.

I have been trying for the last 3.5 years to buy my own place but it’s just not happened and there seems to have been an obstacle at every junction if I’m honest. I managed to save a 5% deposit on my own but the banks would only lend 90k so my choice was very limited. I know I would have bought somewhere by now if I had a partner but I can’t wait for Mr Right to come along can I. Nonetheless back in 2020, I found a flat within my budget but there were issues with the leasehold and I couldn’t get a mortgage on the property. Then property prices shot up not long after. My Dad and I started speaking again a year later and decided to work on our relationship, and a few months later he offered me money as he could see I was struggling to get on the ladder by myself. He gave me 30k.

Since then I have offered on a few properties but have been outbid as they’ve all gone to best and final. I was then made redundant and was out of work for a couple of months. I managed to find another job but had to take a pay cut, which has made things even harder and reduced my borrowing power. I know it sounds great having all this money in the bank by the way but I’d rather have a nice (nothing fancy) little flat or house and financial security if I’m honest. I don’t really have luxuries or buy myself nice things very often - haven’t been on holiday since 2016, don’t get my hair/nails done, don’t drink etc. I know it might sound silly to a lot of people, but this is my priority.

Anyway, fast forward to today and I’m no closer to getting on the ladder than I was 4 years ago, well that’s how it feels anyway. The point that I’m getting at is that my dad has indicated to me a few times that the money he’s already given me isn’t all of my inheritance and I will get more when he dies. I don’t know how much. For context, my dad has had his own company for over 30 years which is worth around 3 million (his words). He’s made a few comments which indicates that he’s not short of money (for example, said his pension goes in the bank every week but he has no idea how much there is and doesn’t touch/need it etc)

I am meeting him later today and have been debating on whether to ask him for more money as it would make a huge difference to my life now (not in 10, 20 or 30 years time) and make it so much easier for me to buy somewhere. I know this means I’d be written out of his will if he agrees to it. A part of me feels cheeky/entitled for asking but I won’t know unless I ask. I know I’m lucky to be getting anything by the way and as I said, I’m fully expecting some harsh responses, but AIBU? If not, how would you approach this?

Thank you

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Testina · 26/04/2024 08:34

“My parents were alcoholics and divorced when I was 4 years old. My dad moved away soon after “

This might not be a popular opinion on here, but I’d rinse the arsehole for as much as I could get 🤷🏻‍♀️

Cetim · 26/04/2024 08:31

DistingusedSocialCommentator · 18/02/2024 10:44

We would never have given money to our if they asked for it. However, there are expections, EG circumstances beyond their control. We gave all of them several thousand each when they bought their second car as often it was quiet an expensive car and they bought it for cash

A few years back we gave all three in the region of 180k each but one did get more about 40 k to make their life easier as mortgage was massive

A parent will know if they need to help their child

OP, sorry but you do not appear to be ready to buy as to me, you are lving on the edge. How could you afford another interest rate rise, it can happen - how about inflation rising again - what about the repiars, insurance etc and what will you have left behind for rainy days, EG, out of work for several months?

You need to consider those.

My post may seem harsh to the untrained eye, but it a fact of life.
Wait a bit longer, or move to another area where its cheaper - often, ptoperty around the corner can be cheaper.

Good luck

agree this is sensible advice. Wait a bit longer OP although I understand you fear things will get worse and worse and you won't be able to get on the ladder. If I had waited, it would have been unattainable due to the economic crisis so I got on the ladder at the right time luckily. But 28 is still young... keep saving, work on your career and you never know you might meet the right person who can go half in the meantime. Buying a house is a massive financial commitment with repairs and upkeep etc so you do need a good income to maintain. It may seem like a long way away now but 5 years at your age is not that long. When I was 28 I too believed I would never be able to afford a home and I didn't have 30k but 5 years later I bought my first place as my career and salary massively improved so it can definitely happen for you.

Isabellivi · 26/04/2024 07:27

Well there’s your mistake putting it in the bank when you could invest $30k and make money on it. Compound interest is your friend.

SecondHandFurniture · 20/02/2024 19:10

Thing is though if I'd given my daughter £30k to get on the ladder in 2021 and 2024 came around with no sign of buying anything, it's a conversation I'd be starting myself. In fact I'd assume she'd spent it on rent!

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 20/02/2024 17:53

I would never ask my parents for money, ever.

It's one thing to accept it if offered by it's taking the piss asking for more.

You are basically saying "thanks for your gift but it's not enough".

Advice400 · 20/02/2024 16:06

If it were me I wouldn't ask for.money but help.working out what you can do. Say you are struggling to find a way forward.even though your Dad has been fabulously kind in helping.

He might then offer more or help you identify a way forward.

Teacup19 · 20/02/2024 15:59

I don't understand all the posters advising OP to ask. Surely if you can't afford to buy, you can't afford to buy? It's so entitled asking a parent for (more) money to buy a house. I know professional people in their forties who can't afford to buy with wealthy parents and it wouldn't occur to them to ask their parents. The dad is probably upset that his generosity was met with a request for more.

Toomanyemails · 20/02/2024 15:13

One thing to be extremely wary of re a loan is that it may affect your affordability for a mortgage. If you get a gift, your dad would need to submit something to your solicitor confirming it's a gift, not a loan, and I think (but I'm not certain) that if you get a loan, you then can't borrow the full amount you've been approved for a mortgage. It would depend on what exactly you agree with your dad. Having a £90k loan at bank rates is more difficult than a £70k loan at bank rates plus £20k on more flexible terms from a relative, but the difference may not be as significant as you'd think.

Hereyoume · 20/02/2024 15:00

Have you checked the records in Companies House and had a look at his accounts?

What he says the company is "worth" might just be nonsense.

I would be wary of someone who makes statements like "one day this money will be yours", if he has it, and you need it, why not give it to you now?

Cosyblankets · 20/02/2024 14:50

Don't borrow money off someone you don't trust.
Buy in a cheaper area or under shared ownership.
What if you found a property and then hay the survey etc and then he refused to give you the money?

CrappySack · 20/02/2024 14:38

I'm sorry your Dad has proven himself just as shit as ever.

I hope you'll be able to get on the property ladder OP.

Wayk · 18/02/2024 18:44

I would suggest you look for somewhere that you can afford with his added €20k. Do not put him on the deeds. Do not feel bad for asking. I have helped my niece.

Tel12 · 18/02/2024 18:41

To be honest in your shoes I would leave it with your dad and concentrate on getting the additional deposit. For a start keep looking for a better paid job. Make sure you have your savings in the best paying account. Can you get an additional job in the interim? Keep going, you will get there.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 18/02/2024 18:32

PepsiColaSprite · 18/02/2024 10:43

@Ducksinthebath By loan, do you mean pay him back rather than getting a mortgage and paying back the bank?

Yes, I would ask your Dad for a loan. He might have some cash he could give you and you can pay him back.

Changeychang · 18/02/2024 18:27

As he is a businessman I expect he will know very well that you need to speculate to accumulate. Explain first how grateful you are that he is considering leaving you money in his will. Then explain about how useful it would be to have this now so that you can make your self more financially secure in the future rather than shedding out money on rent you'll never see back.

Createausername1970 · 18/02/2024 16:48

PepsiColaSprite · 18/02/2024 16:32

@Createausername1970 no I don't trust him if I'm honest. He tried to have my mum and I thrown out of the house when they divorced even though we had no where else to go (thankfully, it went through court and the judge gave the house to my mum) so I couldn't bare having his name on the mortgage tbh.

Fair enough. Definitely don't do that then.

If he keeps bringing up the subject of inheritance, then take the bull by the horns and ask him outright for more towards a deposit now and less in his will.

PepsiColaSprite · 18/02/2024 16:43

@Lampslights I also haven't asked for a lot as I didn't even mention a figure, just asked if he could help me a bit more as I was struggling to get on the ladder.

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PepsiColaSprite · 18/02/2024 16:41

@Lampslights he's literally the one that's brought it up in every conversation since we started speaking again. Hardly offensive when he constantly talks about it, yet I'm offensive for bringing it up once! ! Jesus get off your high horse.

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Lampslights · 18/02/2024 16:38

I think the issue here is asking for your inheritance, I understand his reaction, and I’m assuming you asked for a lot of money.

you really need to stop focusing on your inheritance, like seriously, it’s offensive.

Sapphire387 · 18/02/2024 16:34

Quite right not to trust him, he's still drinking ffs!

I'm sorry the conversation was awkward.

In my mind, he should have been a much better parent to you. I wouldn't feel guilty about finding a property and then asking him again for that extra money he mentioned.

PepsiColaSprite · 18/02/2024 16:32

@Createausername1970 no I don't trust him if I'm honest. He tried to have my mum and I thrown out of the house when they divorced even though we had no where else to go (thankfully, it went through court and the judge gave the house to my mum) so I couldn't bare having his name on the mortgage tbh.

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Createausername1970 · 18/02/2024 16:24

Do you trust him? Could you discuss the possibility of him putting more money in and him having part ownership, and you buy his share off him when you can, and he puts in his will that any remaining share reverts to you when he dies.

DistingusedSocialCommentator · 18/02/2024 16:17

He must feel you are not up to paying him back just as I suggested. Indeed, I may be wrong and I can only guess why he said what he said.

Read my initial post here if you wish, OP

PossumintheHouse · 18/02/2024 16:16

PepsiColaSprite · 18/02/2024 16:09

Just to update you all..

I had the conversation and came away feeling pretty insulted if I'm honest. He couldn't understand where I was coming from and basically said he's not dead yet and people don't get their inheritance until someone's died. Also said he won't buy me a house outright (never asked him to) but if he did then he'd want to be on the deeds. I've also had more money than my half siblings apparently, even though he's told me before that they'll get more than me in the end because I'm an only child and they'll have to share their mothers property/assets when she dies and I won't.

It ended on a very awkward note where he said he might give me an extra 15-20k but I have to find a property first and then he'll decide if he wants to give me more or not. Also made a comment that eventually "I'll have to pay my own way in life". I'm not sure what he thinks I've been doing all these years Confused

I’d put your feelings aside for now and focus on finding that property, go back to him and take it from there.

PepsiColaSprite · 18/02/2024 16:09

Just to update you all..

I had the conversation and came away feeling pretty insulted if I'm honest. He couldn't understand where I was coming from and basically said he's not dead yet and people don't get their inheritance until someone's died. Also said he won't buy me a house outright (never asked him to) but if he did then he'd want to be on the deeds. I've also had more money than my half siblings apparently, even though he's told me before that they'll get more than me in the end because I'm an only child and they'll have to share their mothers property/assets when she dies and I won't.

It ended on a very awkward note where he said he might give me an extra 15-20k but I have to find a property first and then he'll decide if he wants to give me more or not. Also made a comment that eventually "I'll have to pay my own way in life". I'm not sure what he thinks I've been doing all these years Confused

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