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Karen’s Diner/Katie Hopkins - cancel?

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RosaMoline · 16/02/2024 22:56

Quick question:
In the words of Mumsnet, AIBU?
It’s my eldest’s 30th this year, and as a surprise I’ve planned a day out for us on March 17th. We’re going to Hello Kitty cafe, Priscilla the Party and ending up in Karen’s Diner in Islington.
Some of you might know Karen’s from Social media. You basically get insulted and it looks very amusing.
I see from their insta, they’re doing some kind of collaboration with Katie Hopkins in their Manchester and Birmingham restaurants I think.
I am horrified and have left comments to that effect.
I actually feel that I want to cancel, and it’s a shame as it’s something we’d wanted to do for ages.
I however, cannot give my hard earned ££ to an organisation that is giving a platform to a racist right wing Trump supporting bigot.
Am I being unreasonable to cancel our reservation??

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Dogfisher · 17/02/2024 08:53

RosaMoline · 16/02/2024 23:04

We just thought it would be a fun thing to do. It appeals to our sense of humour.

Is the 'Karen' part of Karen's Diner related to the horrible misogynistic use of Karen by people who think it's funny to abuse middle aged women?

willWillSmithsmith · 17/02/2024 08:43

Karen’s diner sounds more like a punishment than a treat. As the saying goes ‘There’s nowt so strange as folk’.

WinterLobelia · 17/02/2024 08:38

AgnesNaismith · 16/02/2024 22:58

You should cancel anyway because a cafe that’s ethos is built on a misogynistic trope is bullshit.

I agree

newnamethanks · 17/02/2024 08:32

She is the unspeakable. Hope she will remain so. Don't pay to hear her, you can find the likes of KH in any pub after a couple of gins.

Maireas · 17/02/2024 08:31

@imnotgoodenoughtobehere 💐
That's so horrible, and I can only imagine how it impacts on you. We all need to imagine our first names being used in such a way.
Heaven forfend that a woman 1. gets older 2. tries to assert herself.
It's a vile misogynist trope and it depresses me that some women buy into this because it's "fun" or "our sense of humour". Good luck with bashing any other group in that way.

newnamethanks · 17/02/2024 08:29

Bloody hell OP, how vile. Have you not got better things to do with your money? You need a sense of humour adjustment.

HarrietTheFireStarter · 17/02/2024 08:28

Karen's Diner is shite anyway.

Baldieheid · 17/02/2024 08:27

I really dislike many of the things KH has said, but I will defend her right to bloody say them.

If we start censoring speech because it's not what we, personally, believe, then we might as well say goodbye to democracy.

You do not have a right to not be offended.

Ridiculous24 · 17/02/2024 08:25

Well done, op. Women bigging this shit up is the last thing we need.

IClaudine · 17/02/2024 08:24

coodawoodashooda · 17/02/2024 08:18

She speaks the unspeakable. It's important to have people who are prepared to do that. It either challenges your own thinking or gives you a new understanding of your own opinion. I think she is very brave. After recent scandals where some celebrities were exposed for shocking behaviour, she spoke about her own reputation. She said that she knew she wasn't perfect and recognised mistakes she'd made. She said it was challenging and lonely. She said those perfect celebrities had judged her openly when their reputations were perfect and their behaviour inappropriate. I dunno. I think she's very brave.

Would she be brave enough to "speak the unspeakable" if she didn't make money out of it?

Baldieheid · 17/02/2024 08:23

imnotgoodenoughtobehere · 17/02/2024 08:13

My name is Karen and because of all the hatred towards people with this name, it has made my life hell. I can’t comment anything on social media without being asked if I want to see the manager. For example, a cute photo of a puppy where I write ‘So adorable!’ and you can guarantee someone will write something like ‘Are you demanding to see the manager’. If you say anything back you get told you are living up to your name. I hate the concept of Karen cafe as it’s feeding dislike for the name Karen. Why the hell did it have to be my name? I already had low self confidence and low self esteem. People who visit the Karen cafes are supporting the name bashing.

I hate it, too. It's not my name but I'm of the generation when it was popular, because its pretty. I despise the sexism and snobbery people show when they use a standard, popular, name as an offensive weapon. I'd find it very difficult not to re-position all those "friends" who use it to hurt you as "blocked". And of course, if you do, you're immediately "too sensitive". They were "only joking". Where's your sense of humour? Yada yada yada.

It's just bullying.

RosaMoline · 17/02/2024 08:23

imnotgoodenoughtobehere · 17/02/2024 08:13

My name is Karen and because of all the hatred towards people with this name, it has made my life hell. I can’t comment anything on social media without being asked if I want to see the manager. For example, a cute photo of a puppy where I write ‘So adorable!’ and you can guarantee someone will write something like ‘Are you demanding to see the manager’. If you say anything back you get told you are living up to your name. I hate the concept of Karen cafe as it’s feeding dislike for the name Karen. Why the hell did it have to be my name? I already had low self confidence and low self esteem. People who visit the Karen cafes are supporting the name bashing.

Having given this a great deal of thought due to the responses here, I am truly sorry. It’s very hurtful. I honestly hadn’t thought that deeply about the rights and wrongs of going there, but it’s very insensitive of me. Again, I’m very sorry 💐

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AmusedMaker · 17/02/2024 08:19

I don’t understand why anyone would pay to be insulted? I’m sure it’s all done in the best possible taste, ( to quote Kenny Everett ) but having been somewhere similar, the ‘jokes’ can be very hurtful.
Also a bit odd to really not like KH, but like being insulted - to your face - by a random stranger in a cafe?

coodawoodashooda · 17/02/2024 08:18

RosaMoline · 16/02/2024 23:03

In what way?!

She speaks the unspeakable. It's important to have people who are prepared to do that. It either challenges your own thinking or gives you a new understanding of your own opinion. I think she is very brave. After recent scandals where some celebrities were exposed for shocking behaviour, she spoke about her own reputation. She said that she knew she wasn't perfect and recognised mistakes she'd made. She said it was challenging and lonely. She said those perfect celebrities had judged her openly when their reputations were perfect and their behaviour inappropriate. I dunno. I think she's very brave.

IClaudine · 17/02/2024 08:18

imnotgoodenoughtobehere that is horrible. Hopefully the whole Karen thing will eventually die out.

Baldieheid · 17/02/2024 08:18

I know you've already cancelled, OP, but I'm genuinely confused as to why anyone would spend money to have a deliberately uncomfortable couple of hours whilst eating what looks like unremarkable food.

Why does this kind of sexist, ageist claptrap appeal to people? I mean, I maybe get a teenager or 20 something finding it funny - it's not aimed at them and they can bask in the cruel glory that it's their Mum being roasted. It's so not funny when you grow up and deal with that fucking shit on a daily basis just for the crime of having a vagina and not being 25 any more.

Greensleevevssnotnose · 17/02/2024 08:16

ButtonMoonLoon · 16/02/2024 23:12

I wouldn’t go there.

Several of their sites have had zero food hygiene ratings, some have had drug raids and a friend told me about this horrific incident at her local one.

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/24093884.sussex-police-investigate-brighton-karens-diner-bl-w-j-b-joke/

I wouldn’t want anything to do with any business affiliated with the truly vile KH

This was in my local one, not funny, disgusting behaviour. I think the girl was ten! I mean 😒

IClaudine · 17/02/2024 08:15

Charlie2121 · 17/02/2024 06:49

Katie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson for that matter are attacked because of people’s inability to listen to what they actually say.

They are demonised because of how people characterise them. That is easier for many on the left to do because it prevents them from ever having to respond to the points being made.

As the famous quote from Margaret Thatcher goes “If they attack you personally it means they have not a single political argument left”

That pretty much sums up the left these days.

I am no Thatcher fan, but I think she would absolutely abhor Hopkins and Robinson. I hope she haunts you 👻 for using her words to defend them!

imnotgoodenoughtobehere · 17/02/2024 08:13

My name is Karen and because of all the hatred towards people with this name, it has made my life hell. I can’t comment anything on social media without being asked if I want to see the manager. For example, a cute photo of a puppy where I write ‘So adorable!’ and you can guarantee someone will write something like ‘Are you demanding to see the manager’. If you say anything back you get told you are living up to your name. I hate the concept of Karen cafe as it’s feeding dislike for the name Karen. Why the hell did it have to be my name? I already had low self confidence and low self esteem. People who visit the Karen cafes are supporting the name bashing.

Coconutter24 · 17/02/2024 08:12

“i have written them a strongly worded email to explain why I’m cancelling.”

Sounds like you’d fit right in at a Karen’s diner haha

I have never got the appeal of paying someone to be rude to me, the whole experience sounds exhausting, when I go out I just want to eat not have distractions like that.

RosaMoline · 17/02/2024 08:10

TheKeatingFive · 17/02/2024 08:04

I can't think why you'd want to go to Karen's diner in the first place. Yes, cancel

I have done & emailed them to tell them exactly why.

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Skinskinskin · 17/02/2024 08:06

AmaryllisChorus · 16/02/2024 23:37

I worked in a restaurant around the corner from Wong Kei about 35 years ago. We got loads of customers who had walked out of Wong Kei because the food and service were so bad.

I remember Wong Kei I used to go there about 40 years ago. I had friends who were opera nuts and they would get stand by tickets and we would go there between leaving work and the opera starting. In fact I thought it was aimed at people who were going the theatre/opera and had limited time. It was on 2-3 floor and you used to see Chinese eating on the ground floor at individual tables and then everyone else had to go upstairs and eat of long tresell type tables. The service was very quick you were in and out in 50 mins and it was very cheap I don’t recall anyone being deliberately rude but everything was exceedingly quick, I’m no connoisseur of Chinese but I don’t remember it being any worse than your average take away and it served its purpose but I did wonder if those on the ground floor got better food and service!

TheKeatingFive · 17/02/2024 08:04

I can't think why you'd want to go to Karen's diner in the first place. Yes, cancel

RosaMoline · 17/02/2024 08:02

Newbie1011 · 17/02/2024 07:45

I know nothing about the Hopkins cafe thing - but I’d steer clear of hello kitty- You can’t book the hello kitty cafe and the waiting time was three hours when I got there the other day. That was the Wednesday of half term. Might he better on a school day but I assume you will be there on a weekend so just to warn. Insane !

Argh! We’re going on a Sunday. We’ll give it a go, and if it’s ridiculously long, we’ll have to give up.

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joylessdivision · 17/02/2024 08:02

Cancel. So many wonderful places you could go for dinner! Not ever part of the day needs to be a thing.
i wouldn’t give my custom to anywhere that collaborated with that vile woman.

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