My husband still thinks everything is because of Covid

Is there anything that I could say to make you change your mind about this pizza restaurant? Anything? Because I don’t think there is. So there is no point in having this conversation.

Really? Well let me make it clearer. The reasons for the lockdown compliance previously was because they found the sweet spot. What is the sweet spot i hear you ask?! Well the sweet spot is that Covid is dangerous but not so dangerous that the essential workers (care workers, shop workers, delivery people , refuse collectors I could go on) arent too scared to actually go out to work. It will be hard to find that sweet spot again. Go over the top with the danger warnings and people (including essential workers) will be scared to go out to work. Then there is partygate.

And i think you DO know that me asking what you do for a living was me trying to ascertain whether or not you are from the laptop class re, your job

I really really hope that God forbid if we have another lockdown (and plenty of people think it should be a first resort rather than a last) that the essential workers lock down too) Particularly as we have gone back to the default setting of looking down on them and treating them like shit especially if they live in social housing. Can just imagine the names they would get called by their so called "betters" if they locked down too though!!!

Are you seriously saying that you believe a child abuse ring operated out of a pizzeria? And that the authorities covered it up?

Because the 'fact checkers' said so? That's not consistent with their previous statements.

Yes. The pizza restaurant where they abuse children in the basement, even though the restaurant didn’t have a basement…..

I really don’t 🤷‍♀️ I didn’t understand your comment about your friend who works in a care home either.

I know of someone who is a major conspiracy theory nut. You name it, they’re into it… Covid (the “plandemic”), Bill Gates, Tom Hanks changing his citizenship because Greece doesn’t outlaw paeophilia, pizza-gate etc etc. There is no way on earth I could be married to this person, or anyone with such little ability to think critically.
I’d be having a serious talk with my husband if I were op. I honestly think that often, these ideas are symptomatic of mental illness (as in the case above). Does he need to go and speak to someone? If he didn’t seek help I think I’d have to leave because it’ll only get worse.

Covid itself is far more likely to cause health implications than the vaccine. Like any vaccine there's a chance of side effects and complications.

Easier to just blame the vaccine, although it was the vaccine that allowed everything to open up properly again.

OP I do hope that your husband isn't the guy who was loudly sharing inaccurate conspiracy theory stuff on the bus last Friday.I feel very sorry for anyone who has to spend much time with him. He'd have been much better giving some attention to the small child he was supposedly caring for.

I read on TwiX that some people think Alexei Navalny died due to the COVID vaccine.

Thanks, and I agree with you - to unquestioningly believe the claims of a youtuber is in fact the opposite of healthy scepticism.

@Lea3

It’s one thing to question the narrative and to maintain a healthy level of scepticism.

Deciding that the vaccination isn’t for you for those reasons, whilst I disagree, is an understandable position. Claiming they are causing accelerated cancers with no evidence, that Covid is just a cold, believing a YouTuber with no expertise in the area who purposely misrepresents his credentials is NOT reasonable.

Being unsure or skeptical is different from spreading untruths or refusing to listen to people who have indisputably more knowledge in a specific area.

When you inject millions and millions of people with any vaccine, there are bound to be an unfortunate few who suffer serious side effects. I considered very carefully whether I wanted the covid vaccine, it being so new and relatively untested and all (unlike, say, the polio vaccine) but then I was more scared of covid itself so figured it was worth the risk.

@Srgchh Oh come on You know why!

Is it really? I debated a pp who initially asserted that their beliefs were based on reasoning and logic. However when challenged, after turning "rabid" and attempting to goad me into a reaction, they admitted that more accurately, their beliefs were in fact based entirely on faith in the establishment, trust, and deference to apparent authorities.

There's plenty of examples of instances where "The Science" or "The Experts" have made mistakes. From the thalidomide tragedy, to the misguided dietary fat recommendations that prevailed for years, to the replication crisis, it's evident that even the most prestigious scientific institutions and authorities aren't immune to error, nor corruption.

I've certainly seen more hostility and "rabid" reactions to those who question dominant narratives, particularly on here - many openly state they simply couldn't tolerate such people.

I freely admit that I don't know everything - but that doesn't mean that I'll place total faith in establishment authorities for decisions about my body and health. With Covid, I perceived my personal risk to be low and the benefits from the jab to be marginal at best, and never got one. I don't regret that.

@JenniferBooth why do you ask?

What do you do for a living @Srgchh

So would my friend...........................who works in a care home!!

This is the argument that is usually followed up by the conspirator with a load of bile and bull.

Unless we’re all committed to studying to degree level the nuts and bolts of everything we hold an opinion on then we’re all trusting in someone else’s knowledge and experience. It’s the foundation of civilisation - standing on the shoulders of giants and all that.

The conspirator is completely unable to admit this to themselves and would rather have a football match slanging match and rabidly tell you to ‘do your own research ‘.

See again the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Some people simply don’t understand that they don’t understand.

Teachers see it all the time.
You explain something like long multiplication and set the class off doing a task.
Then you ask them to put their books in one of three trays, ‘I’ve completely understood’, ‘I think I understand’ and ‘I really don’t have a clue’. The ones who really get it will put their books in the first tray, but also so will the ones who didn’t get it at all, but didn’t realise that they didn’t understand. They are happy that they have got an answer for all the questions even though the answers are completely wrong, but they can’t see they are completely wrong because they think they understand.

@MamaAlwaysknowsbest The OP's husband will have consequences for spouting his conspiracy theories if the OP leaves him.

@Comtesse I had a few friends drink the KoolAid and it’s not worth arguing.

They’re generally type who think they have some kind of special insight which masks their intellectual insecurity.

So many people are afraid to say ‘I don’t know’ or ‘I don’t understand’ - I think the acceptance of conspiracy theories is an extension of this.

I have friends with different politics from me, a wide variety of jobs, different intellect, different ambitions.

Not one of them would view the batshittery of a ‘Dr John’ video and think ‘he’s talking sense’ - the lack of ability to dissect the ludicrous claims therein has me really worried for a significant minority of people.

God this thread is annoying.

If being married to a conspiracy theorist is like this then I would be calling a solicitor.

A colleague is like this, if we are ill, it's because we were stupid and had the jabs. They were designed to make us ill yada, yada. If he is ill, it's because he drinks too much, eats rubbish, and doesn't look after himself.
Full into rabbit hole of all 'alternative reality'. He doesn't accept they are conspiracy.