Single one component measle vaccine

There are over 4000 claims currently being processed by the vaccine damage scheme in the UK. Over 20 million has already been paid out for Covid jabs alone.

I'm still pro vaccination but having experience of it as a family I'm no longer dismissive of the concerns some people have.

Vaccine damage is incredibly rare, most people have no more than a bit of a fever.

Something else that is incredibly rare is water toxicity. It can lead to brain damage and death. It is real.

But overall as a society we don't limit the amount of water people drink.

4 cases per 100, 000 we were told in hospital.

So pretty rare thankfully but certainly not so rare to be negligible. I believe they've started putting it on the accompanying leaflets now so the vaccine manufacturers /NHS obviously consider its worth flagging to people.

Thrombocytopenia

That’s the problem. That’s why there were long queues outside clinics at, for example, the time of the Swansea outbreak. That’s when anti-vaxxers decide they’re not anti any longer.

But there are sufficiently few outbreaks (in the UK) that there is a persistent if changing group of vaccine refusers - with their bizarre ‘I know best’ mindset - egging on others who are hesitant. So eradication is out of reach.

The problem with not explaining population immunity and transmission is that people think “I don’t know anyone who’s had measles/whooping cough/rubella etc. My kids are safe enough without jabs.” And round we go.

They can't rely on herd immunity. There are continuously outbreaks.

I've just spent 5 hours in Urgent care for a throat infection

There was a small child straight out of a horror film, whooping and coughing

He couldn't breathe for coughing. The noise was appalling.

They sent the mum to A&E.

#VaccinesWork

If you read the Omnibus cases in the USA and the Wakefield cases none were fine one day and severely damaged the next. Many had concerns before their vaccines and many declined months after their vaccines .

There was no MMR when I was wee. I've had measles, German measles and mumps and they were really, really horrible. My siblings and I were very lucky not to have any lasting effects but I know people who were not so lucky and ended up with permanent disabilities.
The problem is that vaccines have been so effective at controlling illnesses like measles that people no longer realise just how serious they are and seem prepared to take a gamble with their children's health by not vaccinating.

In the "olden days" people queued up for vaccines because they were faced day in day out with the horror of smallpox, polio etc and were desperate to avoid catching them. I couldn't get my kids vaccinated quickly enough to help them avoid going through what all my friends and I had been through as children.

https://nap.nationalacademies.org/read/13164/chapter/1

This if free to download, not sure if its the latest edition but it has a list of vaccines the research and effects of the diseases

Yes.
Advanced Search is interesting. At least one poster on here who claims to be "pro-vaccine but" has been scattergunning anti-vax shite since at least 2020. All vaccines. Not just MMR.

People would sometimes go on the vax board claiming to be doctors opposed to vaccination. Yeah, right, totally believable.

I do understand - though I vehemently oppose - anti-vaxxers who hide their selfish choice. Some people are just unpleasantly self-centred.

What I think is intolerable is anti-vax argument. It’s so dangerous. People are easily scared by hair-raising accounts of adverse reactions. And all too easily persuaded by misleading graphs and nonsense about washing hands and taking vitamins.

Yes, there are the MMR increases the likelihood of SIDS scare stories as well. When it's actually statistically proven that all other things being equal, (sleeping position etc) a baby vaccinated with MMR is less likely to be a victim of SIDS.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/freedom-of-information-responses-from-the-mhra-week-commencing-31-january-2022/freedom-of-information-request-on-how-many-deaths-have-been-recorded-as-a-result-of-the-measles-mumps-and-rubella-virus-infections-between-2010-and

Here's a FOI report about fatalities reported as potentially having been caused by the MMR vaccine between 2010-2021.

5 reported deaths. None categorically proven to have been caused by the vaccine.

Unsurprisingly.

To counter another popular argument about vaccines and autism. There was huge Danish study of over half a million children and it found no link between MMR and a diagnosis of autism - in fact, it found that children who have received the MMR vaccine are actually 7% less likely to be diagnosed with autism.

www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2019/03/04/no-link-mmr-vaccine-autism-biggest-ever-study-shows/

I can't find figures or info on studies carried out for the UK but there's an interesting article about a long term study in Finland on potentially serious side effects of the MMR vaccine.

Over 14 years, and 3 million doses, there were 173 serious side effects, of which 45% were later established to have had no connection to the vaccine.

So rare as to be negligible.

And yet on every anti -vax thread started with wide-eyed innocence, those very rare people show up.

What are the chances eh?

@MixedCouple "We are delaying vaccinations due to a family friends child who died from childhood vaccinations,"

You know this is completely irrational, don't you?

That sounds scary. What condition is it that MMR can trigger?

The risk of serious adverse reaction to MMR is so slight it barely registers.

The risk from the diseases is so great that they are (and until eradication will continue to be) a national and global scourge.

Possibly. But I think it would be a very stupid person who didn’t understand that vaccination offers a personal benefit.

The anti-vaxxers know full well that they’re hiding behind herd immunity. There isn’t enough shame heaped on them for their antisocial choices and bogus alarmism.

It is counterproductive to argue that people should get vaccinated for the sake of others as it gives the impression that there is little benefit to the child themselves when that is anything but the case. Parents should vaccinate children for the sake of their child and that includes the rubella vaccine.

She has been.

She was hospitalised due to the MMR and in a very bad way. We subsequently found out that it can trigger a relatively rare condition that can be fatal. Its a recognised risk of the MMR and I believe some other vaccinations. We were never told.

I support vaccinations in principle but vaccine damage is very real and having people rant about losing child benefit etc..is absolutely counter productive.

Its not selfish to have concerns. You don't know individual circumstances or the reasons behind some parents decision. Your type of extreme position isn't helpful.

I was perfectly clear.

Why are you even arguing about this? If you and your daughter can’t be vaccinated why aren’t you opposed to selfish people who put you both at risk?

Then maybe you should have been more clear rather than just appearing to have an ill-informed rant.

Obviously I’m talking about those whose children can have the MMR but who choose not to do the right thing for their children and for everyone else. Out of selfishness.

Those whose children genuinely can’t be vaccinated are the first to urge others to do so.

I really don’t care if you find that sensible view about liability for dangerous, selfish people offensive.