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daughter was asked to leave homebase because she's under 18?

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whatisgoingonitw · 15/02/2024 17:37

My daughter and her friend (both 15) went shopping yesterday and nipped into Homebase as my daughter wanted a plant and her friend wanted a heated blanket. They were approached by a member of staff who said “what age are you both you don’t look old enough to be in here” they replied 15. The member of staff asked them to leave as you need to be 18 to shop. My daughter is very straight forward and says how it is, she told the member of staff no as that is not true. The girls continued to walk around the store and they were followed by this lady who works there. They got to the till and paid with no issues the employee at the till didn’t mention age. My daughter told me this when she got home and explained the employee was rude and followed them around the store as well as giving them “dirty looks” I rung the store today to speak to a manager as that customer service is not okay. He told me you do infact need to be with an adult 18+ to shop. Is this serious? I can’t find anything on the website.

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Emotionalsupportviper · 16/02/2024 14:03

BusyMummy001 · 16/02/2024 11:32

My teens and their friends regularly go to Homebase for plants (succulents seem especially popular for some reason), pain samples and soft furnishings - and they have never been stopped by officious security staff, hence my feeling this is a policy misapplied by management/security.

Just wonder whether it’s not okay to ‘kick up a stink’ because this child is assumed to be a white, middle-class ‘madame’ [we actually know nothing about the child or OP] and even if this is so, what does that say about the chances of a black/Asian/disabled child who may equally wish to shop there being permitted to go about their legally entitled shopping?

So, yes, I’d be kicking up a stink. Noone makes my child feel unsafe or uncomfortable without me responding.

Good on OP for raising a child who was able to advocate for herself, I say.

Maybe your teen and friends look older than they are.

Or OP's DD and friend look very young.

Either way, the shop's policy is apparently no under-18's. There are many other shops. They can use them.

GreenAppleCrumble · 16/02/2024 13:57

Fluffyted · 16/02/2024 13:53

I think your daughter was very rude. It’s quite obvious why she’d need to be an adult, not an unaccompanied child in a DIY store!!
if they have a policy, that’s all there is to it.

I’d be teaching my daughter how to respect people. What a delight she must be.

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This is a bit embarrassing for you! That bit you’ve highlighted is regarding purchase through the website 🫢

As for ‘answering back’? Would you use that phrase to describe a perfectly reasonable reply you gave to an assistant? Or is it “answering back “ because a teenage girl should just silently accept any old bullshit told to her?

Fluffyted · 16/02/2024 13:53

I think your daughter was very rude. It’s quite obvious why she’d need to be an adult, not an unaccompanied child in a DIY store!!
if they have a policy, that’s all there is to it.

I’d be teaching my daughter how to respect people. What a delight she must be.

daughter was asked to leave homebase because she's under 18?
MaloneMeadow · 16/02/2024 13:36

CakedUpHigh · 16/02/2024 13:17

So you don't see that having to go to several shops rather than one or even giving up your quest for a plant is harder or getting someone nowhere? That's ridiculous to you? And using your own words back to you is a blatant insult, maybe, but no more than when you used them about OP's daughter!

It’s a plant for goodness sake, hardly life or death! So what if you have to go to multiple shops to find something? In everyday life that’s common practice. A plant isn’t an essential or something worth getting worked up over

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 16/02/2024 13:33

DamnSpots · 16/02/2024 13:27

Surprised to discover that a trowel is considered an over-18 only purchase!

I quite often see teens in gangs drinking cider, sniffing glue and menacing passers-by with trowels. It’s the weapon of choice round here. Along with paint rollers.

ClaudiaWankleman · 16/02/2024 13:28

JMSA · 15/02/2024 17:50

My daughter is very straight forward and says how it is, she told the member of staff no as that is not true.

God, she sounds annoying.

God you sound awful.

DamnSpots · 16/02/2024 13:27

Surprised to discover that a trowel is considered an over-18 only purchase!

daughter was asked to leave homebase because she's under 18?
Hereforaglance · 16/02/2024 13:24

U only getting part of the story i suspect the part ur daughter thinks u want yo hear

CakedUpHigh · 16/02/2024 13:17

MaloneMeadow · 16/02/2024 13:01

The only post of yours that I agreed to was the one where you said that my DD likely would have left the shop empty handed in that situation, which yes is correct. I haven’t changed my mind on any of your other (ridiculous) opinions. Considering you’ve just blatantly insulted my own DD (and her very hard life, getting her nowhere🤣) I don’t think you can talk about these supposed ‘attacks’

So you don't see that having to go to several shops rather than one or even giving up your quest for a plant is harder or getting someone nowhere? That's ridiculous to you? And using your own words back to you is a blatant insult, maybe, but no more than when you used them about OP's daughter!

CakedUpHigh · 16/02/2024 13:11

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 16/02/2024 13:03

I feel really sorry for Lisa or Bob at Homebase who’s having to field calls and emails from worked up MNers. The company’s probably happy about the unusual spike in website visits though.

Homebase may not have a general ‘no unaccompanied kids’ policy but that’s not relevant to the decisions of a manager of a particular store.

I haven't spoken to them but someone who did posted that a blanket ban based on age goes against Homebase's policies so it does seem relevant.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 16/02/2024 13:03

CakedUpHigh · 16/02/2024 12:59

which is why I said it was Homebase's own policies it goes against not the law.

I feel really sorry for Lisa or Bob at Homebase who’s having to field calls and emails from worked up MNers. The company’s probably happy about the unusual spike in website visits though.

Homebase may not have a general ‘no unaccompanied kids’ policy but that’s not relevant to the decisions of a manager of a particular store.

MaloneMeadow · 16/02/2024 13:01

CakedUpHigh · 16/02/2024 12:57

So you've changed your mind again, you said my comment was correct. Have you ever admitted you're wrong or do you always pretend you said something else, change the subject or insult the other person as you have done several times on this thread?

The only post of yours that I agreed to was the one where you said that my DD likely would have left the shop empty handed in that situation, which yes is correct. I haven’t changed my mind on any of your other (ridiculous) opinions. Considering you’ve just blatantly insulted my own DD (and her very hard life, getting her nowhere🤣) I don’t think you can talk about these supposed ‘attacks’

CakedUpHigh · 16/02/2024 12:59

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 16/02/2024 12:56

As has been explained, equality law doesn’t apply to restrictions on children. It’s not discrimination to ask unaccompanied children to leave a shop.

The manager runs the shop. If head office want to overrule her/him then they presumably can. But if the manager says “we’ve had a problem with kids shoplifting/attempting to buy knives/glue/spray paint etc” I’d expect head office to understand.

which is why I said it was Homebase's own policies it goes against not the law.

CakedUpHigh · 16/02/2024 12:57

MaloneMeadow · 16/02/2024 12:51

Considering DD is 19 and currently away solo travelling with a place at uni for next year on a competitive course I highly doubt her good manners have given her a hard life and gotten her nowhere 🤣 You sound ridiculous

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So you've changed your mind again, you said my comment was correct. Have you ever admitted you're wrong or do you always pretend you said something else, change the subject or insult the other person as you have done several times on this thread?

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 16/02/2024 12:56

CakedUpHigh · 16/02/2024 12:50

Except if he has implemented this blanket ban he is going against homebase's own policies on age discrimination which is NOT his call.

As has been explained, equality law doesn’t apply to restrictions on children. It’s not discrimination to ask unaccompanied children to leave a shop.

The manager runs the shop. If head office want to overrule her/him then they presumably can. But if the manager says “we’ve had a problem with kids shoplifting/attempting to buy knives/glue/spray paint etc” I’d expect head office to understand.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 16/02/2024 12:55

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 16/02/2024 12:47

Rubbish. Rules are just policies. There’s no magic law that a rule must be written down.

I doubt that this (or any) Homebase has many unaccompanied child shoppers so they probably don’t bother with a sign but just chuck out children on the odd occasion when they have to.

And I’m not sure why people keep contacting Homebase. It’s the manager’s call.

rule. Noun.

  1. one of a set of explicit or understood regulations or principles governing conduct within a particular activity or sphere.

In a place as big as Homebase, "explicit" has to mean written down because of the number of staff involved.

When the public are expected to obey the rule, "understood" can only happen if the rule is written down and displayed.

rooftopbird · 16/02/2024 12:53

Sorry I've nrtwt but could it be relayed to knife crime rules?

CakedUpHigh · 16/02/2024 12:53

lemonmeringueno3 · 16/02/2024 12:40

It doesn't really matter what any of us think of this rule does it? It's their rule, and they're allowed to have it and to enforce it.

I expect it is more rigorously enforced in stores that have a problem with kids causing a nuisance.

So I think OP's dd was rude to tell an employee that it wasn't a policy when it was, and I'm surprised she was happy to continue shopping whilst being followed. If nothing else, I'd have avoided giving them my money.

It's not their rule and it goes against Homebase's policies. The employee was wrong confirmed by Homebase.

MaloneMeadow · 16/02/2024 12:51

CakedUpHigh · 16/02/2024 12:45

That is a very strange way of agreeing with someone but ok, you're changing your mind, it is your way will give your daughter a hard life and get her nowhere not OP's.

And nobody thinks it's a god-given right to shop in Homebase, we just all thought the shop worker (and manger) were wrong because they were.

Considering DD is 19 and currently away solo travelling with a place at uni for next year on a competitive course I highly doubt her good manners have given her a hard life and gotten her nowhere 🤣 You sound ridiculous

CakedUpHigh · 16/02/2024 12:50

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 16/02/2024 12:47

Rubbish. Rules are just policies. There’s no magic law that a rule must be written down.

I doubt that this (or any) Homebase has many unaccompanied child shoppers so they probably don’t bother with a sign but just chuck out children on the odd occasion when they have to.

And I’m not sure why people keep contacting Homebase. It’s the manager’s call.

Except if he has implemented this blanket ban he is going against homebase's own policies on age discrimination which is NOT his call.

celticprincess · 16/02/2024 12:47

Well, our local McDonalds has a security officer on the door from 4pm when they refuse entry to unaccompanied under 18s. They can go before that. It’s due to the fact that they’ve had a lot of bother in the area from teens running amok. The local library has its automatic doors locked from school finishing and also a security or staff member on the door. They allow under 18s and know who are banned so have to keep the door locked to prevent particular kids getting in. It’s a library/cafe/meetingroom type of venue. It local subway also has similar sign about under 18s, although my daughter went on her own and they let her in as she asked politely as their notice wasn’t clear. I think they’re stopping groups. Our local home bargains also has issues. Loads of kids couldn’t by Mother’s Day gifts last year when they’d probably been told to call in on their way home and were turned away.

Whilst it’s probably not a Homebase rule nationally I wonder if this one has had some issues with local teens causing trouble/shoplifting etc. if that’s the case they should have a notice on their entrance explaining so. Sadly all kids are being labelled with the same bad name because of a small group of trouble causers. My autistic teen won’t go out these days as she’s too worried about where she can and can’t go with who. This started around Covid when everyone was being stopped from hanging out with friends but seems to have stayed with as a cause of anxiety.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 16/02/2024 12:47

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 16/02/2024 12:35

It's not a rule unless it's written down. That's in the definition of what a rule is.

If you have a rule and don't display it, don't be surprised if people break it.

Rubbish. Rules are just policies. There’s no magic law that a rule must be written down.

I doubt that this (or any) Homebase has many unaccompanied child shoppers so they probably don’t bother with a sign but just chuck out children on the odd occasion when they have to.

And I’m not sure why people keep contacting Homebase. It’s the manager’s call.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 16/02/2024 12:45

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 16/02/2024 12:39

Yes, let's exclude all unsupervised young people from society until the magic transformation that turns them into worthwhile humans when they turn 18. And then act surprised when the children we've simultaneously infantilised and demonised for years don't know how to behave or look after themselves as adults.

Or maybe we could allow children to grow and mature while also participating in the world around them, allowing increasing independence and freedom through their teenage years so that when they turn 18 they stand a chance of being responsible, contributing members of the community, able to tackle life's challenges as they arise?

Some of the comments on this thread are appalling. There are adult shoplifters too, and far more adults committing violent crime than teens. And the rudest, most disruptive people in public spaces are often adults too.

If your expectations of a child are in the gutter, they will respond in kind. How we treat children has a big influence on how they turn out, so I find it really troubling that a large number of people seem to want children and young adults banned from normal life.

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Yup.

Mumnetters: kids are so coddled these days! My gran left school and had a job at 14.

Mumsnetters: Gen Z are so immature and unsocialised, they don't know how to behave in restaurants, cinemas, work...

Also Mumsnetters: unaccompanied children should be barred from public places until they turn 18.

CakedUpHigh · 16/02/2024 12:45

MaloneMeadow · 16/02/2024 12:37

Correct. Plenty of other shops where you can buy plants and blankets, I very much doubt it would be the end of the world. If they don’t want unaccompanied minors in their store that’s their decision, fine by me! The ability to shop in Homebase (or anywhere) isn’t a god given right

That is a very strange way of agreeing with someone but ok, you're changing your mind, it is your way will give your daughter a hard life and get her nowhere not OP's.

And nobody thinks it's a god-given right to shop in Homebase, we just all thought the shop worker (and manger) were wrong because they were.

GreenAppleCrumble · 16/02/2024 12:44

MaloneMeadow · 16/02/2024 12:37

Correct. Plenty of other shops where you can buy plants and blankets, I very much doubt it would be the end of the world. If they don’t want unaccompanied minors in their store that’s their decision, fine by me! The ability to shop in Homebase (or anywhere) isn’t a god given right

The ability to shop anywhere isn’t a “god-given right”! But would you be a bit annoyed if you were randomly stopped from shopping where you had chosen to go, for no clear reason?

For someone who has a teen daughter, you seem to hold teenage girls in high contempt.

A policy needs to be written down. Jeez, half the posters on here are probably the same ones saying ‘demand to see the school policy’ when there’s a school issue in question!