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To think how on earth can Biden be President

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Viviennemary · 09/02/2024 22:20

Just been watching the news about Biden's memory. He really needs to step down IMHO.

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Pallisers · 11/02/2024 00:11

And Obama ended up being a washout.

really? Obamacare or the AHCA was a huge step forward for the US and of enormous benefit to the the ordinary people of the US. It is interesting that even when the republicans had the house, the senate and the presidency they couldn't or wouldn't repeal it because americans - including americans who vote for Trump - like it (and because republicans don't actually have policies - just anti-policies so coming up with an alternative was impossible for them).

Itwasmeinthebox · 10/02/2024 22:54

Anthony Blinken would be my man

Citrusandginger · 10/02/2024 22:52

Trump being a monster doesn't make sleepy Joe any less cognitively impaired.

rhubarbby · 10/02/2024 22:40

YankSplaining · 10/02/2024 22:12

Taylor Swift is ineligible for the presidency this election - she’ll still be 34 on Inauguration Day, and all US presidents have to be at least 35. 😀

Never knew this, if there is a younger age barrier - surely there should be an upper one 😂

Tattletwat · 10/02/2024 22:22

Tiddlywinks63 · 10/02/2024 16:50

Obviously they do but they chose these two…..

Except they don't, the parties chose the people even though it's a minority.

It's not the same but similar in this country, labour and conservatives partys choose their leaders.

But the actual voters mostly are not members of any party.

YankSplaining · 10/02/2024 22:12

TempestTost · 10/02/2024 21:10

Yeah, she falls pretty much under "not presidential material." Some of the idiotic comments to come out of her mouth are pretty astounding.

Now Taylor Swift - I'm not sure if I'd be on the same page with her politics, but she might do alright, I think she's smart and extremely hard working.

Taylor Swift is ineligible for the presidency this election - she’ll still be 34 on Inauguration Day, and all US presidents have to be at least 35. 😀

Talkinpeace · 10/02/2024 21:27

Kamala Harris has done a good job of the tasks she was given
BUT
she was a failed, like utterly failed, pres candidate when he made her a "diversity hire"

THere are some shit hot black women in the system, she ain't one of them,

TempestTost · 10/02/2024 21:27

US VPs aren't always in the foreign press much. But in KH's case I think she's been deliberately kept out of the limelight.

WestwardHo1 · 10/02/2024 21:23

Speaking just as a Brit who doesn't spend lots of time watching the news as it's become so seriously depressing

WestwardHo1 · 10/02/2024 21:21

Bridgetoo · 09/02/2024 23:02

it drives me mad when these vain old people think they are indispensable and won't step out of the way in time

I don't think its vanity keeping him there - he's reported to have said he only stood for election to keep Trump out of office. All the other Democrat candidates weren't up to it.

As for Kamala Harris - it's widely acknowledged she's been a dud VP, pretty useless and isn't popular. If she were to run for president against Trump he'd win by a mile.

Where IS she? She has been completely invisible for the last three years.

TempestTost · 10/02/2024 21:14

EasternEcho · 10/02/2024 13:22

I don't have a good grasp over how the US political system works, but in general challenging incumbent presidents within the same party is messy business. The party prefers to keep the field clear. History would indicate that when a party changes the presidential candidate the election is usually lost. Moreover, history seems to favour incumbent presidents for second terms in most cases. In this case it was Biden who beat Trump last time, and it seems the safer route to take.

I think this may be the explanation.

However - in this instance I think it's the wrong choice. There are too many signs that he is no longer fit, and people don't think Harris has what it takes either.

I don't know that it will make many people choose Trump instead but it will make some stay home I suspect.

What should happen, and really months ago, is Biden should have withdrawn from the next election due to ill health and allowed them time to find a new candidate.

TempestTost · 10/02/2024 21:10

YankSplaining · 10/02/2024 13:12

Kamala Harris doesn’t really have enthusiastic supporters in the US. Lots of liberals object to how she handled cases when she was a prosecutor, and lots of conservatives figure she’s a “diversity hire.” Which it appears she is, seeing as Biden, months before picking her as a running mate, announced that whoever he picked would be a black woman.

I haven’t run across anyone who can make a detailed case for Kamala Harris as a politician, strictly on her merits. A couple sentences in, it always turns to the “symbolism” of having a black and Indian woman as VP. When she was running for the Democratic presidential nomination, her campaign had little support and little money and she dropped out before the New Hampshire primary (the NH primary being a significant race in the primaries).

Yeah, she falls pretty much under "not presidential material." Some of the idiotic comments to come out of her mouth are pretty astounding.

Now Taylor Swift - I'm not sure if I'd be on the same page with her politics, but she might do alright, I think she's smart and extremely hard working.

Talkinpeace · 10/02/2024 21:04

The Democrat party has sadly fallen down "woman is a feeling" to appease the "progressives"
and thus has lost sight of the middle ground.

Whitmer could have run a good fight
and Stacey Plaskett is on the "future" list
but reality must intervene

Superlambaanana · 10/02/2024 20:52

Talkinpeace · 10/02/2024 18:42

@EasternStandard I try not to think about who will win.
Whatever the outcome will be bad for the rest of us.

@Abhannmor
FDR hid his disability - would have been crucified in the modern press.
JFK's health issues and infidelities would have been a liability in the current age.

Options : Gretchen Whitmer, Pete Buttigieg and frankly Blinken has shown he could do the job. There are some cracking congresswomen bubbling up as well.

More than bubbling up - already better candidates but blocked by men who don't want a woman as president.

Will be interesting to see who the candidates are in 4 years time and what reason is given for them not having been fielded in this election.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 10/02/2024 19:03

Talkinpeace · 10/02/2024 18:42

@EasternStandard I try not to think about who will win.
Whatever the outcome will be bad for the rest of us.

@Abhannmor
FDR hid his disability - would have been crucified in the modern press.
JFK's health issues and infidelities would have been a liability in the current age.

Options : Gretchen Whitmer, Pete Buttigieg and frankly Blinken has shown he could do the job. There are some cracking congresswomen bubbling up as well.

JFK's health issues and infidelities would have been a liability in the current age.

And his father’s rampant corruption and mob links.

Talkinpeace · 10/02/2024 18:42

@EasternStandard I try not to think about who will win.
Whatever the outcome will be bad for the rest of us.

@Abhannmor
FDR hid his disability - would have been crucified in the modern press.
JFK's health issues and infidelities would have been a liability in the current age.

Options : Gretchen Whitmer, Pete Buttigieg and frankly Blinken has shown he could do the job. There are some cracking congresswomen bubbling up as well.

Abhannmor · 10/02/2024 18:24

Presumably Trump will pick some charisma void as VP. A man - probably - who is a right wing libertarian and widely despised. Could be most GOP senators or governors I suppose.

Who could the Dems have selected though. Is there even one you could mention in the same breath as FDR or Kennedy.

As for Reagan being a good President....look at the homeless. That's all on him. Closed mental hospitals. Crushed unions. It all leads back to the bad actor...

EasternStandard · 10/02/2024 18:19

Talkinpeace · 10/02/2024 18:08

I am a registered US voter.
I wish neither of them was on the ballot.

The Democratic grandees were cowards not to tell Biden and Harris to both step aside and let a proper Primary season happen.
Its too late now.

McConnell is spineless personified. I cannot wait to see who Trump picks as his running mate !!!!

Who do you think will win @Talkinpeace ?

Apparently a fair few wish they were not the only options

And yet they are and no one polls close. It’s a puzzle!

Talkinpeace · 10/02/2024 18:08

I am a registered US voter.
I wish neither of them was on the ballot.

The Democratic grandees were cowards not to tell Biden and Harris to both step aside and let a proper Primary season happen.
Its too late now.

McConnell is spineless personified. I cannot wait to see who Trump picks as his running mate !!!!

HRTQueen · 10/02/2024 17:55

i am not sure who the democrats could put forward at this point

the other issue is Biden isn’t looking confident, he was defensive the other day and for five minutes on form but as soon as he became confused he looked lost hw managed to regain himself but it’s clear in his speech and body language

Trump is more confident than ever and just skips over when he forgets what he planning to say and into the next subject

I don’t think this election is about the core supporters it’s will either of them get complacent or floating voters to vote for them and the campaigning will change peoples minds

Biden doesn’t look physically capable of such an intense campaign

Tiddlywinks63 · 10/02/2024 16:50

justasking111 · 10/02/2024 00:29

But don't the American people deserve better than these two choices?

Obviously they do but they chose these two…..

ByTheSea · 10/02/2024 15:26

EasternEcho · 10/02/2024 09:12

The choice is between one geriatric man of honor and vast experience, and another geriatric man without honor, a congenital liar, a sex offender, a tax chiseler, wanna be dictator, draft dodger and an traitor to his oath of office. I think I'll vote for the former man every time.

And as a U.S. citizen with a vote, I will too.

Talkinpeace · 10/02/2024 15:19

Its a shame because there are some good Democratic candidates available.

If Biden had said after the mid terms that he AND Harris would not run
then a solid Dem candidate could have been picked
but Harris is hanging around the party as a known non winner.

The GOP is hanging on to Trump as a last gasp.
If Trump fails, the party will implode.
If Trump becomes incapacitated or incarcerated the party will implode.

Part of me hopes Nikki Haley keeps going just to give GOP voters a choice at each session - even if she does not spend much money.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 10/02/2024 15:15

Very valid points there, @Allergictoironing, but it won't stop Trump spinning himself as some sort of saviour who everyone's "out to get", and worse still some will believe him

And if they did manage to try Biden it's possible his only defence may be that he "forgot", which given his obvious decline would hardly help matters

As ever with politics it's the optics which count, with honesty and principles coming a very poor second

ScentlessAprentice · 10/02/2024 15:10

Yeah I'm just going to watch The West Wing and live in a happy Bartlet bubble

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