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To think how on earth can Biden be President

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Viviennemary · 09/02/2024 22:20

Just been watching the news about Biden's memory. He really needs to step down IMHO.

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Talkinpeace · 11/02/2024 19:32

FFS
forums do not take into account electoral law.

The candidate has to be in the primary to be on the state ballot (see Colorado)
so a US party cannot parachute in a randomer at a late date
(no Liz Truss or Rishi in the USA)

The Democrats have burned their boats
as have the GOP
but at least NATO HQ are kicking off

Friedchickenrocks · 11/02/2024 17:46

Superlambaanana · 10/02/2024 08:05

Yes I agree he isn't getting any younger. What will he be like in 4 years time? And what are the Democrats going to do if he falls ill or dies within the term - even if he was able to be President for 4 years, who on earth do they field next time if they haven't got any decent alternatives now?!

For sure he will hand over to Kamala during his term and she will be the candidate next time. Same if he dies.

localnotail · 11/02/2024 17:43

I find it so weird that all top politicians in America are so ancient. Both Trump and Biden are way too old - and people seem to forget that Trump is only 2 years younger than Biden. I know this is an awful thing to say but I really hope nature takes its course and neither of them make it to the final line. Trump will be a disaster for America and the world, and Biden being where he is enables Trump. Awful times we are living in.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 11/02/2024 17:28

I read the US political forums and apparently a lot of pressure is being put on Joe to stand down by senior Dems including Obama. There are still rumours that if he did, Michelle would challenge Kamala for the Nomination

Like so much else it's probably just that - rumours - but if Michelle really could be persuaded to run I'd expect them to drop Biden like a brick

However she's said she doesn't want it, so unless her mind can be changed (and it's getting a bit late) it looks as if they'll be stuck with him

Sladuf · 11/02/2024 17:24

Puzzledandpissedoff · 11/02/2024 11:46

Not intentionally perhaps; however the fact remains that if he becomes completely incapacitated - or worse - while in office then she's "it"

I agree with Sladuf about "Is Biden in his current state really how the man should be remembered?", but there's also the issue of what his state could well become (and there's only so much they can try to cover up)

Completely agree with your point too, @Puzzledandpissedoff . Realistically Biden will continue to decline. The age we live in means there’s no way they could hope to pull off something similar to what happened following Woodrow Wilson’s stroke.
I don’t follow American politics as much as I used to but I could see something wasn’t right with Biden in 2021. It’s been stark from what I’ve seen in the last year though.

Talkinpeace · 11/02/2024 17:18

@Friedchickenrocks
the word is "incumbent"
and whatever forums you are reading do not seem to relate to US electoral rules

Friedchickenrocks · 11/02/2024 17:08

I read the US political forums and apparently a lot of pressure is being put on Joe to stand down by senior Dems including Obama. There are still rumours that if he did, Michelle would challenge Kamala for the Nomination. Also Jill to persuade him. He's stubborn though and says he has a right to stand again, which he does. It's up to Kamala now but she won't pres the button for some unknown reason. "I work with him every day and he's fine" She must know he's not though.

Friedchickenrocks · 11/02/2024 17:00

Densol57 · 09/02/2024 22:26

Trump for President ! 🎉
I am a Trump supporter

Same here. TRUMP 24.

Am pessimistic though as if he couldn't beat sleepy Joe as the encumbent then I can't see him doing it now. Could be close or a landslide to Joe.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 11/02/2024 16:37

I agree it's potentially dangerous, @Tiddlywinks63, but never underestimate just how sick many Americans are of underwriting other nations' security, or of seeing one hand stretched out for cash and the other flicking the Vs at them

The words he chose are stupid tub-thumping of course, but the wretched man knows how to push buttons and the principle will go down very well with his supporters - and possibly many waverers too

Abhannmor · 11/02/2024 16:35

Spot on Mittens BJ had some of that strange magic as well. It like they press the Pause button on reality for a few seconds, fill it up with some gibberish and people forget they can't answer the question. Can it work twice though , when you've seen the man behind the Mighty Oz ?

Mittens1717 · 11/02/2024 15:58

thebestinterest · 10/02/2024 05:25

He’s an excellent President doing an incredible job.

yes he’s old, but try getting trump to speak sense on issues that matter. Not possible. Trump seems like he has no memory issues because all he talks is horse shit. He’s conditioned the world to expect horse shit from him. Don’t need to make sense when that’s all you got = horse shit.

Totally agree with this

Abhannmor · 11/02/2024 15:51

Taylor Swift is very smart , young and hardworking. She would be a terrific president if you are a billionaire or imagine that you are about to become one. Which probably covers 75% of Americans.

DisforDarkChocolate · 11/02/2024 15:31

If he doesn't die before the next election I think Trump will win.

The only way Democrats will see a president re-elected is if Harris takes over.

Tattletwat · 11/02/2024 15:29

Friedchickenrocks · 11/02/2024 12:13

Would go to a vote and she'd need a majority of the Cabinet to agree with her. I think he'll be re-elected actually and will hand over to her mid-term.

That was the theory last election and didn't happen.

ToWhitToWhoo · 11/02/2024 14:42

Puzzledandpissedoff · 11/02/2024 11:46

Not intentionally perhaps; however the fact remains that if he becomes completely incapacitated - or worse - while in office then she's "it"

I agree with Sladuf about "Is Biden in his current state really how the man should be remembered?", but there's also the issue of what his state could well become (and there's only so much they can try to cover up)

Much better to have her than Trump, or whoever would be his VP and take over if anything happens to him (Trump's not exactly a spring chicken himself, and is most unlikely to choose a moderate VP).

Friedchickenrocks · 11/02/2024 12:13

SummerFeverVenice · 09/02/2024 22:53

He has sadly deteriorated significantly. It is a shame that Kamala Harris hasn’t stepped in and insisted he be assessed for fitness in office.

Would go to a vote and she'd need a majority of the Cabinet to agree with her. I think he'll be re-elected actually and will hand over to her mid-term.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 11/02/2024 11:46

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 11/02/2024 08:48

I seriously doubt Biden will be used as Kamala’s Trojan horse.

Not intentionally perhaps; however the fact remains that if he becomes completely incapacitated - or worse - while in office then she's "it"

I agree with Sladuf about "Is Biden in his current state really how the man should be remembered?", but there's also the issue of what his state could well become (and there's only so much they can try to cover up)

HRTQueen · 11/02/2024 09:52

Wasn’t the rumour that this term during the campaigning last time that Kamala would take over mid term

its atomising that the Democrats have got to this point

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 11/02/2024 08:48

I seriously doubt Biden will be used as Kamala’s Trojan horse.

BlueThursday · 11/02/2024 08:25

this is morbid but I think the plan is for Biden NOT to make it through his next term. It’s the only way to get a woman of colour as president

libbylane · 11/02/2024 04:42

I'm as left leaning as they come and if I was an American I'd be Democrat through and though, yet I think Biden needs to step down. Right now, even if it was only perceived decline, the reality is it will stop the undecided people from voting for him. I can't fathom another Trump win, nor how anyone could vote for Trump, but the Democrats have a huge battle to win if they want to stay in power.

As for Ms. Harris, sadly she's very unpopular outside of very left circles, so all the other votes they need in order to win, she wouldn't get.

I think the Democrats are feeling that there's no one else who would win or is well known enough to be Trump's opponent in the election.

TempestTost · 11/02/2024 03:37

Pallisers · 11/02/2024 00:11

And Obama ended up being a washout.

really? Obamacare or the AHCA was a huge step forward for the US and of enormous benefit to the the ordinary people of the US. It is interesting that even when the republicans had the house, the senate and the presidency they couldn't or wouldn't repeal it because americans - including americans who vote for Trump - like it (and because republicans don't actually have policies - just anti-policies so coming up with an alternative was impossible for them).

I think it was pretty mixed. There were quite a few people who felt they were worse off. The ones I met fell into a few types: the type of plan they had before became unavailable or prohibitively expensive. Or, they had to pay for a plan but actually couldn't afford it. Or they could just afford the plan, but not actually afford to use it (because it involved co-payments which are common in the US.)

I also knew people who were helped, particularly people who could not get any insurance before because of pre-existing conditions. But it seems like a pretty mixed bag.

Sladuf · 11/02/2024 00:31

No, you’re not unreasonable. It’s been pretty obvious for a lot longer than the last few months that his cognitive abilities are waning. As at least one other person has already mentioned the Democrats have done themselves no favours denying it.
Is Biden in his current state really how the man should be remembered? I think not.

Pallisers · 11/02/2024 00:14

Citrusandginger · 10/02/2024 22:52

Trump being a monster doesn't make sleepy Joe any less cognitively impaired.

And Joe Biden being who he is (sleepy Joe is a Trump epithet - but you know that) doesn't make Trump any less of a monster - right?

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