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For reacting to people who treat me poorly..assaulted at the doctors surgery

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Namechangey23 · 09/02/2024 11:49

I suspect the answer is yes IABU and normal people don't do this! Please help me understand why I am like this and what I can do to fix it.

This is a typical example of a situation I have got myself into by reacting and allowing myself to be provoked. I was taking my DS (1 yr) for vaccinations and parked neatly in one of many available spaces at my local surgery. Just as I was trying to get him out of his car seat with the door open, I see out of the corner of my eye this guy in his 70s or beyond starts reversing into the space I am standing in with the door open. Note that there are various other spaces even side by side which he could have gone into but no, he chose the one I was standing in with DS half out of his car seat. I waved and shouted and he stopped....then he carried on again so I screamed and shouted at him preparing to smack the back end of his car as I thought he somehow still hasn't seen me and there wasn't room for me to stand out the way. Finally he then moves off, parks opposite and walks off inside without a word.

This is where I then made a poor decision. I had to stand next to him whilst logging into their system. I was so angry and shocked at what just happened that I decided he wasn't going to get away with it, so I said to him.. you do realise you just almost ran us over...I was expecting he might apologise. This then started off an argument in front of the whole waiting room. I asked him why he chose to park in the only space I was standing in when there were 6 other spaces available and he just said 'it was a space wasn't it' and he said 'you shouldn't have such a big car" I said I can have what car I like (honestly it's not big just a very basic standard budget SUV, not some enormous tank!) And I was parked responsibly in the space, it is customary to need the door open when getting a child out and unfortunately they don't have child spaces with more room and I didn't want to park in the disabled spacs as that's not for me! I'm afraid he pissed me off even more with his comment about my car so I said something I wasn't proud of along the lines of "should have gone to Specsavers because I'm not sure how you didn't see me? " Anyway of course it escalated, the receptionist tried to intervene to calm us down, and then he pushed all three of us, her most as she was inbetween him and me still holding DS. I feel totally devastated because she ended up bearing the brunt of what was obviously meant for me. Also mortified this was in front of everybody, although they were very kind. But also because I should have left it well alone as I had my son in my arms, why oh why didn't I keep my mouth firmly shut?! A miss (even a near miss!) Is as good as a mile as they say. What is wrong with me, why do I put myself and others at risk just to be right? It's like the sense of injustice takes over and fight wins over flight even when it makes common sense not to poke the hornets nest.

It's happened before. I asked someone outside my house which fronts onto a footpath to pick up their dog mess and got verbally abused and I think there are other incidents I can't remember now. Incidently I always end up a shaking blubbing emotional wreck after such incidents so why do I do it??! In my head I think I'm sticking up for myself. But it usually ends up worse for me and I feel like in taking these risks, one day I could end up with myself in serious trouble or dead doing it. How can I stop myself in future when it's almost reflexive! I know I need to control myself. Incidently my husband is the complete opposite extreme and a pacifist. He avoids conflict like the plague and never gets himself in any situations like this as a result. If there is a problem with a bill or contractor I have to deal with it. Is there a middle ground?!
Incidently my DS got his vaccines (all 4!) but it wasn't at all the calm experience I was hoping for...

OP posts:
Vivi0 · 09/02/2024 19:27

Ohlookwhoitis · 09/02/2024 19:24

Huh? Yes you did.

She approached an elderly man standing in the waiting room of a GP practicein a confrontational manner and told him he “should have gone to specsavers”

I've no idea why you're ignoring what she actually did say...

so I said to him.. you do realise you just almost ran us over...I was expecting he might apologise. This then started off an argument in front of the whole waiting room

Edited

And I just explained to you that when I said “confrontational manner” I was referencing the “You do realise..” comment.

ForLimeBiscuit · 09/02/2024 19:26

Fluffywhitecloudsinthesky · 09/02/2024 12:28

I completely disagree with what people are telling you above, completely.

The world works much better if you assume most people are trying to do the right thing. The guy wasn't trying to run you down or hit your kids. Think about what you are saying. He had an accident, as people do, when they are flustered themselves trying to park. He manoeuvred into a space that was probably the easiest to back into, and then you banged his car (fair enough).

The sensible thing to do, given he immediately stopped and didn't ram your kids, would have been to give a brief smile and say- phew, sorry, I thought you were going to hit us! He would have then said 'I'm so sorry, I didn't see you' etc.

I never ever escalate these situations, I park in a hospital about two to three times a week and the parking is a nightmare, and people drive too close, people are wandering around, you don't have great visibility, and all of it goes much better when everyone is kind, offers up their space, waves to say thanks and apologises if there's a problem. I've spend nearly a decade going in and out of the place and not had one, one incident, and most people are cheery and nice, and resigned that small car parks and large cars are the way it is right now.

Why pick a fight, your child got pushed. Just stop. Just assume the best and go in with a reasonably ok face and not angry and picking fights. If you had a go at me, I'd have one back, and be extremely cross myself as of course he wasn't running you down on purpose, he made a mistake.

Do you want people to forgive your mistakes? Then do so in others and protect your kids better by stopping escalating with strangers.

completely this. Try and get to the bottom of why your trmper is so easily provoked. My husband is like this - i think its adhd.

terrible to get yourself in this sort of situation at all let alone with a child present.

not excusing the man at all - but you were the antagonist in this situation.

Vivi0 · 09/02/2024 19:25

YuleDragon · 09/02/2024 19:12

It isn't though.
The OP has been told she shouldn't have been stood in the parking space. That she shouldn't have shouted at him when he was reversing at her, and that she shouldn't have spoken to him in the surgery.

Please.

She didn’t “speak” to him in the surgery. She was really fucking angry about what happened in the car park, and approached him in confrontation.

How entitled can you be to think you can approach a stranger confrontationally, reprimand them, goad and insult them and expect them to just bow their head and say nothing in response.

I can’t imagine a woman would be okay with the OP behaving towards her in that manner either. I certainly wouldn’t be, although I wouldn’t have pushed anyone.

The man acting aggressively doesn’t negate the fact that the OP was acting aggressively too.

Ohlookwhoitis · 09/02/2024 19:24

Vivi0 · 09/02/2024 19:07

I didn’t say that she approached him with the Specsavers comment.

I said that she approached him in a confrontational manner (which I consider to be the “you do realise” comment) and told him that he should go to Specsavers.

Huh? Yes you did.

She approached an elderly man standing in the waiting room of a GP practicein a confrontational manner and told him he “should have gone to specsavers”

I've no idea why you're ignoring what she actually did say...

so I said to him.. you do realise you just almost ran us over...I was expecting he might apologise. This then started off an argument in front of the whole waiting room

Naptrappedmummy · 09/02/2024 19:16

As for the feeling of injustice, it’s pride. My mother was like this and it was exhausting. She was very proud and thin skinned, and any slight or perceived slight had to be avenged, usually by her having an embarrassing screaming match with somebody or showing herself up in some way. She never let anything go.

Snuggleyou · 09/02/2024 19:15

DoubleScreens · 09/02/2024 13:27

One day you're going to pick on the wrong person and you'll get leathered. Nearly like in the drs when you put your baby into harms way. Also can't believe you basically caused the receptionist to be assaulted.

That man was responsible for his own behaviour please never do jury duty for a rape case

Woodenwonder · 09/02/2024 19:14

Snuggleyou · 09/02/2024 19:13

How is it dramatic when the op has literally just told the world about his dangerous driving.

Honestly please have a wine and relax

The lives of OP and her baby were never in any danger and in fairness, if she really thought they were - shut the car door and get out of the fecking way to start with and then don't approach this dangerous madman in anyway after that.

allaloneandlost · 09/02/2024 19:14

MN is so confusing. Women who are worried about other peoples feelings who are rude or aggressive to them are constantly being told not to be people pleasers, doormats, stand up for themselves, use their words and drop the rope.

Yet when somebody does, they're accused of being aggressive, argumentative and out of control. Okay for a man to push two women though, eh? Women - know your place.

ohfook · 09/02/2024 19:14

I agree with @Fluffywhitecloudsinthesky . I was badly let down by a tradesperson a while ago. I was furious and dh sent a very arsey email. The person replied apologising and didn't offer up any excuses for their no show but tried to sort out an alternative date.

A little while later I found out through a third party that something extremely tragic had happened in their personal life that week. I resolved then to always assume that people are doing their best, very few people are being knobs on purpose and most of the time we have no idea about what is going on with people.

It's also why I hate people sharing things to shame people on social media.

Snuggleyou · 09/02/2024 19:13

Woodenwonder · 09/02/2024 19:11

Oh shush and go join an am dram club with those theatrics 😆

How is it dramatic when the op has literally just told the world about his dangerous driving.

YuleDragon · 09/02/2024 19:12

Naptrappedmummy · 09/02/2024 19:10

What hyperbolic rubbish.

It isn't though.
The OP has been told she shouldn't have been stood in the parking space. That she shouldn't have shouted at him when he was reversing at her, and that she shouldn't have spoken to him in the surgery.

Woodenwonder · 09/02/2024 19:12

YuleDragon · 09/02/2024 19:09

@Woodenwonder "Maybe he has bad eyesight or bad depth perception"

Maybe he shouldn't be driving then.

Maybe he shouldn't, maybe he doesn't have bed perception maybe we are all surmising and projecting from OP's one sided account.

Good fun innit.

LadyKenya · 09/02/2024 19:11

I would be interested in hearing the receptionist side of the story. Why were the Police not called? I would have thought that would have been the case.

Woodenwonder · 09/02/2024 19:11

Snuggleyou · 09/02/2024 19:08

And if he would of succeeded in winning is parking space at the cost of a woman and babies lives you would be looking at this very differently.

Oh shush and go join an am dram club with those theatrics 😆

Naptrappedmummy · 09/02/2024 19:10

YuleDragon · 09/02/2024 19:07

OP.

Things to learn from this thread.

Let Men run you over.
Never stand in a space A Man wants.
Never speak to A Man who nearly ran you over.

Edited

What hyperbolic rubbish.

YuleDragon · 09/02/2024 19:09

@Woodenwonder "Maybe he has bad eyesight or bad depth perception"

Maybe he shouldn't be driving then.

Naptrappedmummy · 09/02/2024 19:09

I disagree with posts about you ‘standing up for yourself’, he tried to park in a free space and parked in another when he realised you were in it. He probably just wasn’t paying attention, everyone has ‘oh shit’ driving moments. Yes he was an arsehole to push the receptionist.

Your rage sounds utterly out of control, and I feel sorry for your poor DS witnessing his mother shouting and screaming like that. That must’ve been really frightening for him. Everyone loses their cool like that once or twice in life but to be honest you sound quite mentally unstable.

Vivi0 · 09/02/2024 19:09

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Withdrawn at poster's request

I haven’t seen anyone say that. I’ve seen posters attempt to imply that from people pointing out that the OP’s own aggressive behaviour wasn’t acceptable either.

Snuggleyou · 09/02/2024 19:08

Woodenwonder · 09/02/2024 14:51

Outrageous is a strong word. But maybe you are like OP and prone to overreaction.

Maybe he has bad eyesight or bad depth perception so parking next to another car helps him cue it up. Maybe he's had bad health news and isn't feeling quite with it.

Luckily turns out, op wasn't mown down after all, close one!

Shit happens and most people are not inherently trying to spoil your day. Particularly at a drs I'd be finding extra patience and particularly for older people.

And if he would of succeeded in winning is parking space at the cost of a woman and babies lives you would be looking at this very differently.

YuleDragon · 09/02/2024 19:07

OP.

Things to learn from this thread.

Let Men run you over.
Never stand in a space A Man wants.
Never speak to A Man who nearly ran you over.

Vivi0 · 09/02/2024 19:07

Ohlookwhoitis · 09/02/2024 18:25

No she didn't approach him with the Specsavers comment. Have you not even read the opening OP?

so I said to him.. you do realise you just almost ran us over...I was expecting he might apologise. This then started off an argument in front of the whole waiting room

I didn’t say that she approached him with the Specsavers comment.

I said that she approached him in a confrontational manner (which I consider to be the “you do realise” comment) and told him that he should go to Specsavers.

Zone2NorthLondon · 09/02/2024 19:06

No poor you,diddums from me. You’re appallingly behaved argumentative and too easily riled. Can’t believe your getting the head tilt and poor you
Staff had to intervene and they got assaulted.
learn to manage your impulsivity and don’t be so provocative in your responses, yes so you just said… well don’t. Develop an inner monologue and self control

Checken · 09/02/2024 19:04

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Withdrawn at poster's request

Ruralrules · 09/02/2024 19:04

I grew up with a Mother who behaved like this and it was so embarrassing.She used to confront and antagonise people whilst usually being on the verge of tears.I wouldn't want any other child to suffer that.

Snuggleyou · 09/02/2024 19:03

Namechangey23 · 09/02/2024 11:49

I suspect the answer is yes IABU and normal people don't do this! Please help me understand why I am like this and what I can do to fix it.

This is a typical example of a situation I have got myself into by reacting and allowing myself to be provoked. I was taking my DS (1 yr) for vaccinations and parked neatly in one of many available spaces at my local surgery. Just as I was trying to get him out of his car seat with the door open, I see out of the corner of my eye this guy in his 70s or beyond starts reversing into the space I am standing in with the door open. Note that there are various other spaces even side by side which he could have gone into but no, he chose the one I was standing in with DS half out of his car seat. I waved and shouted and he stopped....then he carried on again so I screamed and shouted at him preparing to smack the back end of his car as I thought he somehow still hasn't seen me and there wasn't room for me to stand out the way. Finally he then moves off, parks opposite and walks off inside without a word.

This is where I then made a poor decision. I had to stand next to him whilst logging into their system. I was so angry and shocked at what just happened that I decided he wasn't going to get away with it, so I said to him.. you do realise you just almost ran us over...I was expecting he might apologise. This then started off an argument in front of the whole waiting room. I asked him why he chose to park in the only space I was standing in when there were 6 other spaces available and he just said 'it was a space wasn't it' and he said 'you shouldn't have such a big car" I said I can have what car I like (honestly it's not big just a very basic standard budget SUV, not some enormous tank!) And I was parked responsibly in the space, it is customary to need the door open when getting a child out and unfortunately they don't have child spaces with more room and I didn't want to park in the disabled spacs as that's not for me! I'm afraid he pissed me off even more with his comment about my car so I said something I wasn't proud of along the lines of "should have gone to Specsavers because I'm not sure how you didn't see me? " Anyway of course it escalated, the receptionist tried to intervene to calm us down, and then he pushed all three of us, her most as she was inbetween him and me still holding DS. I feel totally devastated because she ended up bearing the brunt of what was obviously meant for me. Also mortified this was in front of everybody, although they were very kind. But also because I should have left it well alone as I had my son in my arms, why oh why didn't I keep my mouth firmly shut?! A miss (even a near miss!) Is as good as a mile as they say. What is wrong with me, why do I put myself and others at risk just to be right? It's like the sense of injustice takes over and fight wins over flight even when it makes common sense not to poke the hornets nest.

It's happened before. I asked someone outside my house which fronts onto a footpath to pick up their dog mess and got verbally abused and I think there are other incidents I can't remember now. Incidently I always end up a shaking blubbing emotional wreck after such incidents so why do I do it??! In my head I think I'm sticking up for myself. But it usually ends up worse for me and I feel like in taking these risks, one day I could end up with myself in serious trouble or dead doing it. How can I stop myself in future when it's almost reflexive! I know I need to control myself. Incidently my husband is the complete opposite extreme and a pacifist. He avoids conflict like the plague and never gets himself in any situations like this as a result. If there is a problem with a bill or contractor I have to deal with it. Is there a middle ground?!
Incidently my DS got his vaccines (all 4!) but it wasn't at all the calm experience I was hoping for...

The way he reacted inside the doctors ie victim blaming because of your choice of car like it justifies his irresponsible driving and then pushing you with babe in arms, not to mention the completely neutral receptionist who was only trying to diffuse the situation, well it says everything about the man he is. I can’t believe women on here are defending him, just because he’s elderly doesn’t mean he’s a precious little honourable saint, misogynists, rapists, wife beaters, pedophiles, serial killers all grow old if lucky. Who’s to say he doesn’t go home and give his wife a dig in the face if she dares to stand up to him. I bet he wouldn’t dare react that way to a man though.