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For reacting to people who treat me poorly..assaulted at the doctors surgery

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Namechangey23 · 09/02/2024 11:49

I suspect the answer is yes IABU and normal people don't do this! Please help me understand why I am like this and what I can do to fix it.

This is a typical example of a situation I have got myself into by reacting and allowing myself to be provoked. I was taking my DS (1 yr) for vaccinations and parked neatly in one of many available spaces at my local surgery. Just as I was trying to get him out of his car seat with the door open, I see out of the corner of my eye this guy in his 70s or beyond starts reversing into the space I am standing in with the door open. Note that there are various other spaces even side by side which he could have gone into but no, he chose the one I was standing in with DS half out of his car seat. I waved and shouted and he stopped....then he carried on again so I screamed and shouted at him preparing to smack the back end of his car as I thought he somehow still hasn't seen me and there wasn't room for me to stand out the way. Finally he then moves off, parks opposite and walks off inside without a word.

This is where I then made a poor decision. I had to stand next to him whilst logging into their system. I was so angry and shocked at what just happened that I decided he wasn't going to get away with it, so I said to him.. you do realise you just almost ran us over...I was expecting he might apologise. This then started off an argument in front of the whole waiting room. I asked him why he chose to park in the only space I was standing in when there were 6 other spaces available and he just said 'it was a space wasn't it' and he said 'you shouldn't have such a big car" I said I can have what car I like (honestly it's not big just a very basic standard budget SUV, not some enormous tank!) And I was parked responsibly in the space, it is customary to need the door open when getting a child out and unfortunately they don't have child spaces with more room and I didn't want to park in the disabled spacs as that's not for me! I'm afraid he pissed me off even more with his comment about my car so I said something I wasn't proud of along the lines of "should have gone to Specsavers because I'm not sure how you didn't see me? " Anyway of course it escalated, the receptionist tried to intervene to calm us down, and then he pushed all three of us, her most as she was inbetween him and me still holding DS. I feel totally devastated because she ended up bearing the brunt of what was obviously meant for me. Also mortified this was in front of everybody, although they were very kind. But also because I should have left it well alone as I had my son in my arms, why oh why didn't I keep my mouth firmly shut?! A miss (even a near miss!) Is as good as a mile as they say. What is wrong with me, why do I put myself and others at risk just to be right? It's like the sense of injustice takes over and fight wins over flight even when it makes common sense not to poke the hornets nest.

It's happened before. I asked someone outside my house which fronts onto a footpath to pick up their dog mess and got verbally abused and I think there are other incidents I can't remember now. Incidently I always end up a shaking blubbing emotional wreck after such incidents so why do I do it??! In my head I think I'm sticking up for myself. But it usually ends up worse for me and I feel like in taking these risks, one day I could end up with myself in serious trouble or dead doing it. How can I stop myself in future when it's almost reflexive! I know I need to control myself. Incidently my husband is the complete opposite extreme and a pacifist. He avoids conflict like the plague and never gets himself in any situations like this as a result. If there is a problem with a bill or contractor I have to deal with it. Is there a middle ground?!
Incidently my DS got his vaccines (all 4!) but it wasn't at all the calm experience I was hoping for...

OP posts:
Goalandgate · 10/02/2024 12:33

YuleDragon · 10/02/2024 12:14

once is a mistake.
twice is a deliberate attempt to run her over.

Do you genuinely believe this? That he actually attempted to knock them down?

I find this bizarre. If you are attempting to run someone over them shouting doesn't stop you surely.

This whole thing is absurd to me. No wonder there are so many selfish people about when they're told this sort of behaviour is fine and correct.

The man PARKED ELSEWHERE. He did not shout at, threaten, scold or anything resembling that towards the OP. He parked elsewhere and went in to his appointment.

What happened after that is obviously his own doing and not acceptable, but the lead up to it was not a genuine attempt to knock someone over. How bizarre.

YuleDragon · 10/02/2024 12:15

and no, you don't tell someone to shut their door while you park, you wait for them to finish what they're doing, move, and then you park.

In either case, you don't try and run them over.

YuleDragon · 10/02/2024 12:14

once is a mistake.
twice is a deliberate attempt to run her over.

Goalandgate · 10/02/2024 12:01

YuleDragon · 10/02/2024 11:55

"He tried to reverse into a space he thought was free, once he was made aware it wasn't he parked elsewhere"

Well.. no he didn't. Re-read the OP
"I waved and shouted and he stopped....then he carried on again so I screamed and shouted at him preparing to smack the back end of his car as I thought he somehow still hasn't seen me and there wasn't room for me to stand out the way. Finally he then moves off, parks opposite and walks off inside without a word. "

So he initially stopped, then after a moment carried on trying to reverse into them.. so she was forced to defend herself and her child a second time.

Had it only been once, and he'd apologised and parked elsewhere, it wouldn't have been an issue (even though i question how you could miss a whole adult standing in the space with the door wide open) but he didn't do that, and he didn't apologise.

Nonetheless what I have written is correct.
He did not try to run over a mother and child, I'm sure if that was his intention he would have done it. He did move off and park elsewhere. The OP acknowledges this. I suppose if we are being pedantic he could have got out, told her to close her door & stop blocking the space & parked there anyway. He didn't. He moved off and parked elsewhere. You will never convince me that a grown woman purposely antagonising a stranger due to some perceived wrong-doing which was a non event - is right. She was wrong to do what she did. He was wrong to push people. The whole thing could have been avoided.

YuleDragon · 10/02/2024 11:55

Goalandgate · 10/02/2024 10:22

What a dramatic reply. He did not 'try to run over a mother and child' he tried to reverse into a space that he thought was free, once he was made aware it wasn't he parked elsewhere. Some people have such a bloody victim mentality it's astounding. He was also minding his own business waiting in line for an appointment before things escalated into a push which is unacceptable. Whoever is responsible for violence is at fault straight away. I know I will be flamed for this but if a person was shouting at me about going to specsavers and close enough that I felt threatened I might try to make some space between us. Nobody has come out of this covered in glory. But to suggest an elderly man purposely drove towards a mother and child 'to make a point' and 'tried to knock them over' is ludicrous.

"He tried to reverse into a space he thought was free, once he was made aware it wasn't he parked elsewhere"

Well.. no he didn't. Re-read the OP
"I waved and shouted and he stopped....then he carried on again so I screamed and shouted at him preparing to smack the back end of his car as I thought he somehow still hasn't seen me and there wasn't room for me to stand out the way. Finally he then moves off, parks opposite and walks off inside without a word. "

So he initially stopped, then after a moment carried on trying to reverse into them.. so she was forced to defend herself and her child a second time.

Had it only been once, and he'd apologised and parked elsewhere, it wouldn't have been an issue (even though i question how you could miss a whole adult standing in the space with the door wide open) but he didn't do that, and he didn't apologise.

Checken · 10/02/2024 11:44

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Woodenwonder · 10/02/2024 11:03

What I've learned on this thread.

Lots of examples of angry and passive aggressive and straight aggressive people on this thread who can't cope and feel very affronted when someone pushes (literally, allegedly) back.

IcedPlum · 10/02/2024 10:45

Someone once tried to sit in some cinema seats than I had pre booked and paid for so instead of confronting them and demanding they move I got a member of staff to remove them . In my younger days I would have blown my top . Any problems at work I go over people's heads straight to management. Let them sort it out . There are ways of going about things

Plus get your husband to speak up more as it sounds as if he hides behind you OP .
I realised my husband was doing this , so the next time a situation blew up that was of his making I told him to say something. His reply ? Oh you say something, you always do and I'm no good at stuff like that ! He was coming out as the angel and me the villain. So no, if he can fight his own battles now.

If people see you have a short fuse they will load the gun and get you to fire the bullet . I had this in a work situation where everyone moaned about something, got me to arrange a meeting with management and the team and stood there while I did all the talking then denied any knowledge of what I was talking about. People will wind you up and manipulate you if they know you retaliate all the time .

Like other posters have said it's knowing when to pick your battles and where to have them .

JennyGracexx · 10/02/2024 10:40

@Ghuunvg how does that even make sense, if anything a 'woman's woman' would applaud somebody for wearing a short skirt 🤣🤣

You sound like a very aggressive and angry person. Sorry I triggered with a comment about nasty women on here, you obviously felt I was describing you perfectly!

Ghuunvg · 10/02/2024 10:33

JennyGracexx · 10/02/2024 10:11

@Ghuunvg you're exactly the sort of 'woman' I was talking about, thanks for proving my point 🤣🤣

You sound like a narrow-minded little person with your "that kind of woman" and "woman's woman" judgments. Do you judge women by their skirt lengths too?

Goalandgate · 10/02/2024 10:22

NoOrdinaryMorning · 10/02/2024 09:55

This!

I've known men like him, who will passive aggressively park right next to a woman getting her kids out of an SUV just to highlight his 'anti-SUV' stance (& dominance). So that he can say "Well you shouldn't have such a big car then, should you?!"

Let's summarise that shall we? He tried to run over a CHILD to make a passive aggressive point! Then physically PUSHED mother whilst HOLDING said child.
Yet according to Mumsnet, it is SHE who is in the wrong because she said something?!?!?!

Seriously on the verge of quitting Mumsnet, after only recently joining as this is fucking unbelievable

What a dramatic reply. He did not 'try to run over a mother and child' he tried to reverse into a space that he thought was free, once he was made aware it wasn't he parked elsewhere. Some people have such a bloody victim mentality it's astounding. He was also minding his own business waiting in line for an appointment before things escalated into a push which is unacceptable. Whoever is responsible for violence is at fault straight away. I know I will be flamed for this but if a person was shouting at me about going to specsavers and close enough that I felt threatened I might try to make some space between us. Nobody has come out of this covered in glory. But to suggest an elderly man purposely drove towards a mother and child 'to make a point' and 'tried to knock them over' is ludicrous.

JennyGracexx · 10/02/2024 10:11

@Ghuunvg you're exactly the sort of 'woman' I was talking about, thanks for proving my point 🤣🤣

Bluetrews25 · 10/02/2024 10:10

BrioNotBiro · 10/02/2024 09:59

In situations like this I think it would be interesting to hear the man's - and receptionist's - accounts. There are always two or three sides of a story and the reality is somewhere in the middle.

Absolutely
There's your version, my version and the truth. As the saying goes.

Ghuunvg · 10/02/2024 10:10

JennyGracexx · 10/02/2024 10:08

@NoOrdinaryMorning absolutely agree with this. One thing I've noticed since being on here is that there are a few who aren't 'women's women', and will comment purposely inflammatory things to upset somebody and put them down even. Like the ones commenting on here questioning the OPs parenting and making out she's bringing up her child to be abusive. Another post I saw recently was a woman asking for advice on a dress she wanted to wear for a date and there were people commenting taking the piss and laughing at her.

Oh get over yourself

Ghuunvg · 10/02/2024 10:09

You sound quite proud of yourself like you're some kind of fiery scarlett ohara character, I think this OP is some kind of weird hunt for validation

Ultimately you were a dick. Imagine being genuinely so ill waiting in that waiting room and having to listen to this

JennyGracexx · 10/02/2024 10:08

@NoOrdinaryMorning absolutely agree with this. One thing I've noticed since being on here is that there are a few who aren't 'women's women', and will comment purposely inflammatory things to upset somebody and put them down even. Like the ones commenting on here questioning the OPs parenting and making out she's bringing up her child to be abusive. Another post I saw recently was a woman asking for advice on a dress she wanted to wear for a date and there were people commenting taking the piss and laughing at her.

BrioNotBiro · 10/02/2024 09:59

In situations like this I think it would be interesting to hear the man's - and receptionist's - accounts. There are always two or three sides of a story and the reality is somewhere in the middle.

NoOrdinaryMorning · 10/02/2024 09:55

YuleDragon · 09/02/2024 16:05

I cannot fathom how people are DEFENDING someone who nearly ran the OP and her Child over, TWICE, then physically assaulted them.

This!

I've known men like him, who will passive aggressively park right next to a woman getting her kids out of an SUV just to highlight his 'anti-SUV' stance (& dominance). So that he can say "Well you shouldn't have such a big car then, should you?!"

Let's summarise that shall we? He tried to run over a CHILD to make a passive aggressive point! Then physically PUSHED mother whilst HOLDING said child.
Yet according to Mumsnet, it is SHE who is in the wrong because she said something?!?!?!

Seriously on the verge of quitting Mumsnet, after only recently joining as this is fucking unbelievable

Woodenwonder · 10/02/2024 09:50

NoOrdinaryMorning · 10/02/2024 09:48

Some of us drive SUVs for medical reasons! I cannot get into a vehicle any lower than an SUV because of my spine. This may not be the case for OP, but please don't judge everyone who drives one as you have no idea of their reasoning

Exactly. Nobody knows what somebody else is going through so as the saying goes be kind! And don't be a dick in a drs waiting room!

NoOrdinaryMorning · 10/02/2024 09:48

TotalAbsenceOfImperialRaiment · 09/02/2024 15:27

You lost me at 'SUV'.

Some of us drive SUVs for medical reasons! I cannot get into a vehicle any lower than an SUV because of my spine. This may not be the case for OP, but please don't judge everyone who drives one as you have no idea of their reasoning

LadyKenya · 10/02/2024 09:47

NoOrdinaryMorning · 10/02/2024 09:40

I honestly cannot believe everybody here is defending the fact that this man ASSAULTED a woman carrying a child 😳 WTAF

I do not see everybody defending the man. I see a lot of posters correctly stating, that the OP was unwise to challenge the man in the surgery, whilst holding her young child. And it would seem that she had another child with her as well, who was no doubt distressed by the whole incident. It could have been avoided. The man was not seeking her out in the surgery, to start with her.

NoOrdinaryMorning · 10/02/2024 09:43

Throwawayme · 09/02/2024 13:12

Stop shouting and screaming at people. There's no need for it. Speak to people reasonably and politely and you'll probably get along much better.

Who shouted? Who screamed? You've just made that up!

Checken · 10/02/2024 09:40

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NoOrdinaryMorning · 10/02/2024 09:40

I honestly cannot believe everybody here is defending the fact that this man ASSAULTED a woman carrying a child 😳 WTAF

Purplebiscuitwithsprinkles · 10/02/2024 09:38

Good on you for calling out his behaviour! It's not great that the receptionist was pushed and they should ban him from the surgery for that. Sick of people thinking this type of behaviour is ok.

When he got out of the car he could have just said sorry and done that's the end of it no need to comment about the size of the car. He knew it was wrong and could have seriously hurt you.

I've recently called people out on a few things including colleagues who would play snog marry avoid very loudly about other colleagues making myself and a few others visibly uncomfortable. It had come to light this was also on social media. HR didn't do anything so I said to them do you want to put that on the company emails and repeat that so everyone can hear. Their response was we're only having a laugh...others then said they didn't think it was funny and it has finally stopped. It wasn't a crusade it wasn't a feeling of justice I was just fed of people being nasty.