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For reacting to people who treat me poorly..assaulted at the doctors surgery

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Namechangey23 · 09/02/2024 11:49

I suspect the answer is yes IABU and normal people don't do this! Please help me understand why I am like this and what I can do to fix it.

This is a typical example of a situation I have got myself into by reacting and allowing myself to be provoked. I was taking my DS (1 yr) for vaccinations and parked neatly in one of many available spaces at my local surgery. Just as I was trying to get him out of his car seat with the door open, I see out of the corner of my eye this guy in his 70s or beyond starts reversing into the space I am standing in with the door open. Note that there are various other spaces even side by side which he could have gone into but no, he chose the one I was standing in with DS half out of his car seat. I waved and shouted and he stopped....then he carried on again so I screamed and shouted at him preparing to smack the back end of his car as I thought he somehow still hasn't seen me and there wasn't room for me to stand out the way. Finally he then moves off, parks opposite and walks off inside without a word.

This is where I then made a poor decision. I had to stand next to him whilst logging into their system. I was so angry and shocked at what just happened that I decided he wasn't going to get away with it, so I said to him.. you do realise you just almost ran us over...I was expecting he might apologise. This then started off an argument in front of the whole waiting room. I asked him why he chose to park in the only space I was standing in when there were 6 other spaces available and he just said 'it was a space wasn't it' and he said 'you shouldn't have such a big car" I said I can have what car I like (honestly it's not big just a very basic standard budget SUV, not some enormous tank!) And I was parked responsibly in the space, it is customary to need the door open when getting a child out and unfortunately they don't have child spaces with more room and I didn't want to park in the disabled spacs as that's not for me! I'm afraid he pissed me off even more with his comment about my car so I said something I wasn't proud of along the lines of "should have gone to Specsavers because I'm not sure how you didn't see me? " Anyway of course it escalated, the receptionist tried to intervene to calm us down, and then he pushed all three of us, her most as she was inbetween him and me still holding DS. I feel totally devastated because she ended up bearing the brunt of what was obviously meant for me. Also mortified this was in front of everybody, although they were very kind. But also because I should have left it well alone as I had my son in my arms, why oh why didn't I keep my mouth firmly shut?! A miss (even a near miss!) Is as good as a mile as they say. What is wrong with me, why do I put myself and others at risk just to be right? It's like the sense of injustice takes over and fight wins over flight even when it makes common sense not to poke the hornets nest.

It's happened before. I asked someone outside my house which fronts onto a footpath to pick up their dog mess and got verbally abused and I think there are other incidents I can't remember now. Incidently I always end up a shaking blubbing emotional wreck after such incidents so why do I do it??! In my head I think I'm sticking up for myself. But it usually ends up worse for me and I feel like in taking these risks, one day I could end up with myself in serious trouble or dead doing it. How can I stop myself in future when it's almost reflexive! I know I need to control myself. Incidently my husband is the complete opposite extreme and a pacifist. He avoids conflict like the plague and never gets himself in any situations like this as a result. If there is a problem with a bill or contractor I have to deal with it. Is there a middle ground?!
Incidently my DS got his vaccines (all 4!) but it wasn't at all the calm experience I was hoping for...

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YuleDragon · 09/02/2024 14:29

Why are people picking on the OP for "screaming and shouting" at someone reversing towards her and her child, close enough for her to need to prepare to bang on the boot of the car?

How else are you meant to get the attention of someone INSIDE a car and clearly not looking? Wave and apologise for being flattened once you're under the wheels or they've ripped your car door off?

The stupid bugger was about to reverse into her and her baby.. i'd be bloody screaming and shouting to get him to stop too.. especially after he stopped, and THEN CONTINUED to reverse towards her.

Damn right i'd be saying something in the Dr's to the dickhead too.

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user1471554720 · 09/02/2024 14:29

If people are being overly assertive with me for a minor infringement, their confidence rubs me up the wrong way. I stare at them and ask them to explain their issue. I stay calm but they don't....

5128gap · 09/02/2024 14:27

There's nothing wrong with speaking up. You just need to work on a way of doing that where you're assertive but not agressive/provocative and when you are confident you will be able to control yourself and not end up throwing personal insults about. There's plenty of stuff on line about positively challenging people, phrases to avoid to reduce the risk of it escalating, and so on. So, I'd say, do it, but only if and when you can approach it with skill not emotion.

user1471554720 · 09/02/2024 14:25

I have been assertive ehen people pushed past me in the queue etc. Even though I have been non confrontational they still turned it into a huge fight. When I tell them to stop shouting at me it makes it worse.

Even if you were calm and assertive, the person would still verbally attack you.

I know psychologists give advice but they assume everyone is calm, reasonable, will admit if they are wrong. Not everyone is decent so the assertiveness doesn't work on a lot of people.

Bladwdoda · 09/02/2024 14:25

Also maybe try to think the best of people (I struggle with this) and not the worst. I often have an internal monologue about situations that frame them in a way where people are purposely doing things to be unkind/rude. In reality most people are oblivious to their mistakes. Eg the old man reversing maybe hasn’t had a child to get out the car in a long time and so is not understanding how it feels for a parent to have a car reversing close to them. Or he is distracted by running late for example. None of that makes what he did ok, but it does frame it in a more human way.

Wingham · 09/02/2024 14:24

You made a mistake.
You overreacted! and things escalated.

I would look at calming techniques like yoga, meditation.
Dont be that person that everyone knows screaming and arguing in the street.
If you have something you feel is important to point out do so politely.

SomethingUniqueThisTime · 09/02/2024 14:24

My late FIL, had this same tendency. He was a reasonable, gentle and kind man to friends and family, but if he felt slighted or crossed by a stranger or someone in an official position he would see red and become obsessed about winning an argument - falling out with neighbours, people in shops, his bank and all manner of people he met. My DM was also the same (although just as bad with family and friends!) and eventually fell out with everyone.
It caused all sort of stress for those around him, my DH and I are the complete opposite and avoid falling out with others if we can.

Try to think why you react this way - why do you need to be in the right so much, surely you can see that others are not always perfect and make mistakes. Your needs do not trump other people’s, maybe he had reasons for wanting to park next to you, I prefer to park next to other cars rather than in a large set of free spaces - it helps when lining up in a space and you can make sure you have space to get out. Maybe the space was nearest the door. You didn’t have a right to have an empty space next to you just because you have an SUV and child seat.

VolcanicLandscape · 09/02/2024 14:22

I think the key here is that you recognise it, that is a massive in helping to change it. You lack impulse control at times but you recognise that - don't beat yourself up.

I think a lot of people have their 'version' of this. For me it is anxiety and intrusive thoughts. A normal everyday occurrence for a lot of people can have my mind spiralling into complete catastrophe. I am also guilty of taking an interaction that has annoyed me - and letting my mind spiral it out of control. The result is always bad.

I have done a lot of work on trying to observe my own mind/emotions/thoughts - rather than just 'believe' them and run with them (usually with a bad outcome). It takes practice - but you try and catch your 'mind' when it starts to escalate. For you when the anger starts to rise, your thoughts follow this and feed it and it escalates into situations like today. Try and catch it at the start - and make a conscious decision not to follow it. I call it 'changing the channel'. As soon as I feel my mind start to spiral - I remind myself that these are just my thoughts they are not 'real' I don't need to follow them or act on them. I change the channel and direct focus elsewhere. The feelings pass much sooner than you expect. No feeling is final.

The Chimp Paradox by Steve Peters is a great book for this.

Abitofalark · 09/02/2024 14:22

The problem here is that you react, get into a row, don't withdraw when it might be diplomatic or self protective to do so and then blame yourself and feel awful. I can be like that so I know that I have to rein it in and I do, most of the time. I won't get involved in arguments such as in supermarkets - or as in your case a doctor's surgery, so will let it go rather than escalate or have the last word. I do the same online, even if someone is snarky or condescending and merits a retort. But I'll make an exception for dogs fouling.

It's personality largely isn't it - as you say, your husband is completely different. While you are being introspective and questioning yourself you might like to try one of those tests for insight into your personality and what makes you tick - see for instance, https://www.16personalities.com/ But whatever a test may tell you, you still need to be aware of your own pitfalls and practise lowering the temperature in situations to protect yourself from getting embroiled and ending up in a bad state.

Bladwdoda · 09/02/2024 14:21

DelilahsHaven · 09/02/2024 12:01

It sounds like you stand up for yourself in situations where it would be appropriate to do so, but that you do it in a manner that escalates (screaming and shouting), rather than in a way that will lead to resolution. It's easily done in a high pressure moment, like a car coming towards you and your baby, but more easily avoided in the dog poo situation.

It is good that you can reflect and have insight into how your behaviour has affected these situations.

Try to think of ways that you could have handled this differently and practice for future incidents.

The ability to behave assertively rather than aggressively, and to strive towards resolution for both parties where you can, will pay dividends in your parenting.

I agree with this 100%
I think practice being assertive will help you feel you are dealing with situations, but not doing so in a way that is aggressive/confrontational or likely to lead to arguments.

Assertiveness and knowing when you leave a situation….

Sounds like your Dh needs to be more assertive too

DilemmaAtWork · 09/02/2024 14:20

I hate all this crap about ‘calling people out’. It’s just an excuse to try and shame or make someone look stupid in public and rarely actually solves the issue. Purposely embarrassing someone in public never goes well.
You can easily point something out and have a quiet, calm conversation without resorting to being an aggressive arsehole yourself.

Luxell934 · 09/02/2024 14:20

You sound unhinged actually. I suggest you seek anger management actually, or therapy to address where this anger is stemming from. Are you happy in life OP?

Oh and the specsavers comment is just really cringe.

SleepEatSnoozeRepeat · 09/02/2024 14:19

I think that as your child gets older, and you of course get older, you will find that there are many more battles to fight and you learn to let the nonsense go. It would be exhausting going through life constantly fighting about little things.
That said, sarcasm never ever helps, nor does raising your voice or losing your temper. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. This will be handy with stroppy teens, arrogant men and confused old people.
Learning when to shut up is a valuable lesson. You would be wise to think before you act, as I endlessly say to my teens!

Fluffywhitecloudsinthesky · 09/02/2024 14:18

I've nearly hit someone in the supermarket car park recently when I was reversing, just didn't see them. Waved and luckily they realised it wasn't malicious intent. I didn't need to get out and grovel at them.

Both over aggression and under-reacting are problematic. The Op needs to learn the middle way (plus I don't think she did anything wrong in the car park, it was continuing it inside that was the issue).

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 09/02/2024 14:18

@Namechangey23 us women are put on this earth to deal with ancient manly egos with small dicks! dont worry about it!

Namechangey23 · 09/02/2024 14:15

SomethingUniqueThisTime · 09/02/2024 14:10

OP you’re still trying to justify why you became so angry, blaming other people for your extreme anger issues. If you were a man everyone on here would be saying you need to do something about your temper.
Maybe look at some anger management resources to help, it’s not doing you any favours as it’s causing you stress for hours, potentially leading you into dangerous situations, and a really bad example to set your DCs.

Totally agree! I think possibley it is an anger management thing. Although I can feel glad I didn't hit the guy when he pushed us. It is a bad example...interesting you should say that as I realise this behaviour was modelled by my father... I don't want to stick up for myself if it ends up in other people being injured or upset. I would rather be a pacifist! I want the quiet life! I don't feel in control of my reaction. It was visceral.

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itsmyp4rty · 09/02/2024 14:13

HomerGlumplich · 09/02/2024 13:51

Yes you're right, you made a poor decision.

If you expect the worst of people you will get the worst of them.

You assumed he reversed towarss you intentionally, and was "treating you badly", so you decided to have a go at him.

But it is more likely that he just didn't check before reversing, and it was a mistake, or carelessness. He probably felt a bit embarrassed, and by having a go at him in public you escalated things.

Are you saying it's ok just to reverse without looking?? That it would have been fine if he had knocked them down because he just didn't check before reversing?
And that it wasn't on him to apologise if he just nearly knocked down a woman and child because he was 'careless'?

Honestly the justification for shitty men's behaviour on MN never fails to amaze me.

OP you got so upset because these people behaved like assholes and you couldn't understand why they would be like that. Don't change, just understand that some people are just twats.

Fluffywhitecloudsinthesky · 09/02/2024 14:13

Given about 1% or more of the population are psychopaths, it's always better to stand up for yourself in a calm way if it's needed at all (which it wasn't in the GP's surgery). I stand up for myself a lot. I don't let men walk all over me, not in the car, not when driving. But every now and again you meet someone very aggressive or on steroids or having a bad day- go to the Relationship section of Mumsnet to see the lovely specimens out there. Now think about whether acting aggressively to them to 'stand up for yourself' whilst you have a child in your arms is a good plan,.

Standing up for yourself in an assertive manner is about being calm, pleasant, knowing when to move forward to assert yourself and when to back off as the other person is just weird, peculiar, ill or super-aggressive. It's a skill, the Op isn't interested in developing it, she's interested in rehearsing even now why she was in the right, even though another woman got assaulted as a result of the escalation.

crackofdoom · 09/02/2024 14:12

Interesting, the comments about ADHD upthread. I'm autistic- and suspect I may have some degree of ADHD- and have form for reacting like this.

Firstly, I would say that you were NOT in the wrong. He physically assaulted you and the receptionist. Leaving tone or whatever aside, you were pulling him up for doing something that could have seriously hurt you and your child. That is never wrong. Whether it was wise, or whether you could have phrased it better, is quite another question.

I'm exactly the same though...I cannot keep my cool for the life of me- God, how I wish I could manage to be calmly assertive! I think, neurodiversity aside, this is something we're uniquely crap at in the UK. I'm wondering how the responses would have differed if you'd posted this in a German forum, for example?! I think fuming impotently at antisocial or selfish behaviour is pretty damaging for society, and that sometimes people do need telling.

I live close to a school, and the parking is beyond belief. Massive cars parked on the junction and the bus stop, making it dangerous for children to cross the road, and nobody- neither the school, the parish council or the police will do anything about it. Recently I had a go at the driver of an SUV who pulled onto the pavement, on the junction, just in front of us as we were walking to school, swiftly followed by another one mindlessly copying him. Yes, we had a horrible argument- in front of the kids, too- and I was upset for the rest of the day. But you know what? Since then, no SUVs have parked on the pavement on the corner, so word must have got out you'll get grief from the crazy mad bitch who lives there.

Would I prefer that it had all been handled in a different way? Definitely! But when push comes to shove, if nobody else is going to stick up for you against the inconsiderate and dangerous people in our society, then you're going to have to do it yourself. And I'm happy in the knowledge that I've made the walk to school that little bit safer for all the kids- even those with the nice, non confrontational mummies who don't want to cause a fuss 🙄

PleaseStopEatingMyStuff · 09/02/2024 14:12

To be fair OP you didn't begin today looking for a fight. He invaded your space whilst you were in protective mode with your baby receiving his jabs. You merely reacted to a situation you were placed in by this man.
For what it's worth I've reacted similarly in the past, as I'm sure most people have!
I try to live my life with a degree of consideration to others & expect the same back-& if not people just need to stay out of my space (& yours!)

Cakeandcardio · 09/02/2024 14:11

Does it stem from your upbringing OP? I grew up in a home where my dad was awful. Always fighting and arguing / being violent with one of us. There was a lot of arguments in our house - sometimes daily. It took me a long time as an adult to realise that's not how everyone is. My DH is also a calm person so I learned a lot from him. His family are also all calm people - his parents especially.
Going forward you maybe need to just practise letting things go. Easier said than done though.

SomethingUniqueThisTime · 09/02/2024 14:10

OP you’re still trying to justify why you became so angry, blaming other people for your extreme anger issues. If you were a man everyone on here would be saying you need to do something about your temper.
Maybe look at some anger management resources to help, it’s not doing you any favours as it’s causing you stress for hours, potentially leading you into dangerous situations, and a really bad example to set your DCs.

itsmyp4rty · 09/02/2024 14:08

Op this isn't a you problem, it's a them problem. You just had a couple of incidents where you came up against complete assholes.

Everyone telling you that you escalated it are just full of crap - they escalated it by not simply apologising and doing the right thing. Sadly though you can't reason with complete assholes.

But I applaud you in standing up for yourself.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 09/02/2024 14:08

DilemmaAtWork · 09/02/2024 14:06

You’re not a victim because you have an SUV 🙄

Read the post above yours. The first paragraph.

I think we’re seeing the overdeveloped sense of righteousness that the OP described herself of having