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For reacting to people who treat me poorly..assaulted at the doctors surgery

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Namechangey23 · 09/02/2024 11:49

I suspect the answer is yes IABU and normal people don't do this! Please help me understand why I am like this and what I can do to fix it.

This is a typical example of a situation I have got myself into by reacting and allowing myself to be provoked. I was taking my DS (1 yr) for vaccinations and parked neatly in one of many available spaces at my local surgery. Just as I was trying to get him out of his car seat with the door open, I see out of the corner of my eye this guy in his 70s or beyond starts reversing into the space I am standing in with the door open. Note that there are various other spaces even side by side which he could have gone into but no, he chose the one I was standing in with DS half out of his car seat. I waved and shouted and he stopped....then he carried on again so I screamed and shouted at him preparing to smack the back end of his car as I thought he somehow still hasn't seen me and there wasn't room for me to stand out the way. Finally he then moves off, parks opposite and walks off inside without a word.

This is where I then made a poor decision. I had to stand next to him whilst logging into their system. I was so angry and shocked at what just happened that I decided he wasn't going to get away with it, so I said to him.. you do realise you just almost ran us over...I was expecting he might apologise. This then started off an argument in front of the whole waiting room. I asked him why he chose to park in the only space I was standing in when there were 6 other spaces available and he just said 'it was a space wasn't it' and he said 'you shouldn't have such a big car" I said I can have what car I like (honestly it's not big just a very basic standard budget SUV, not some enormous tank!) And I was parked responsibly in the space, it is customary to need the door open when getting a child out and unfortunately they don't have child spaces with more room and I didn't want to park in the disabled spacs as that's not for me! I'm afraid he pissed me off even more with his comment about my car so I said something I wasn't proud of along the lines of "should have gone to Specsavers because I'm not sure how you didn't see me? " Anyway of course it escalated, the receptionist tried to intervene to calm us down, and then he pushed all three of us, her most as she was inbetween him and me still holding DS. I feel totally devastated because she ended up bearing the brunt of what was obviously meant for me. Also mortified this was in front of everybody, although they were very kind. But also because I should have left it well alone as I had my son in my arms, why oh why didn't I keep my mouth firmly shut?! A miss (even a near miss!) Is as good as a mile as they say. What is wrong with me, why do I put myself and others at risk just to be right? It's like the sense of injustice takes over and fight wins over flight even when it makes common sense not to poke the hornets nest.

It's happened before. I asked someone outside my house which fronts onto a footpath to pick up their dog mess and got verbally abused and I think there are other incidents I can't remember now. Incidently I always end up a shaking blubbing emotional wreck after such incidents so why do I do it??! In my head I think I'm sticking up for myself. But it usually ends up worse for me and I feel like in taking these risks, one day I could end up with myself in serious trouble or dead doing it. How can I stop myself in future when it's almost reflexive! I know I need to control myself. Incidently my husband is the complete opposite extreme and a pacifist. He avoids conflict like the plague and never gets himself in any situations like this as a result. If there is a problem with a bill or contractor I have to deal with it. Is there a middle ground?!
Incidently my DS got his vaccines (all 4!) but it wasn't at all the calm experience I was hoping for...

OP posts:
Cerealkiller4U · 09/02/2024 16:53

Namechangey23 · 09/02/2024 12:54

I would say him because I started off asking a question did he realise and he started making it personal mocking me for the type of car I drove which frankly is none of his business as long as it was parked properly which it was. In my mind this suggested that he actually did do it on purpose as he clearly had a chip on his shoulder about people driving bigger cars. And I clearly have a chip on my shoulder about people trying to reverse over pedestrians with children when there is plenty of space for everyone. Him pushing the receptionist just came out the blue really, she was just asking everyone to calm down, quite rightly, that's when he did it. I am not absolving myself of blame as I inflamed the situation, particularly with the spec savers comment and I could have said nothing at all in the beginning and for on happily with me say, he could reverse into the next person happily (probably will anyway I'd his eye sight is that poor). Or just maybe he'll think twice. As will I!!

Oh dear….

FruitEatingBird · 09/02/2024 16:50

@OpieMo Yes kind of, the incident took place in reception and the folk sitting in the waiting room exchanged a few sympathetic words saying it was dreadful the reception staff had to deal with this type of thing but we shouldn't try to judge too much as they could be you know 'not well'. It is a village and people do talk in the waiting room.

WillimNot · 09/02/2024 16:50

See, this is another case of women being preconditioned to never stand up vocally for ourselves.
He should be reported for dangerous driving and frankly if he's that age he should probably have his licence revoked as he sounds unfit to drive.

He assaulted you, and another female, and whilst you had a baby in arms? I think the police should've been called.

You had every right to call his idiotic behaviour out, you did nothing wrong! He was 100% in the wrong.

Honestly, stop feeling bad for standing up for yourself.

Cerealkiller4U · 09/02/2024 16:47

SalmonEile · 09/02/2024 12:39

OP what helps me in these situations is to remember you have no idea what kind of day a person is having . And you can only control what you do , not what anyone else does.

This. Maybe his daughter is dying?

maybe he just lost his dog?

maybe he just got hit or kicked?

you just don’t know.

MrsCarson · 09/02/2024 16:47

I don't think you did anything wrong. I try not to get myself into situations but have know to say something as I walk away.
My friend was with my friend once who said don't let it bother you, just remember he's a beautiful child of god, disguised as an asshole. I couldn't stop laughing
So now when I come across people like this I try to remember what she said.

TerriPie · 09/02/2024 16:47

I think you need to pick your battles more carefully.

Totally understand they were in the wrong but there was no need to be shouting at an elderly person in a medical facility when no actual harm was done. Probably scaring them, your child, the staff and other patients. There is a big difference between being assertive and sticking up for yourself vs being aggressive and intimidating.

Maybe they were ill, recently widowed, awaiting the results of cancer testing etc. You just don't know what they were going through and if we all gave a little bit of consideration to others the world would be a much more pleasant place.

Cerealkiller4U · 09/02/2024 16:46

Namechangey23 · 09/02/2024 12:38

I think that is fair. I wish I had engaged brain before mouth. I think you are right, I probably assume the worst about people. Probably in this case because of the fact that he stopped once and then carried on going it was as if he saw me but decided he was going to carry on regardless and try to force me out the way. Of course I don't know that for sure. There wasn't really anywhere I could go anyway without leaving my son unstrapped in the car or trying to squish myself past his car and I was in a hurry too to get to the appointment. It certainly wasn't the easiest space when there were three other spaces side by side which were free and 6 free in total without someone standing in them.. of course we all want to be forgiven but isn't it just good manners to apologise if you make a mistake?

Did you apologise then? Cos you made a mistake too

Octavia64 · 09/02/2024 16:46

On the calling out bad behaviour.

I'm disabled. It's not obvious to look at me.

I have a blue badge and park in blue badge bays.

I have had people try to publicly shame me. "You can't park there. You're not disabled".

I used to be polite to these people.

Now I tell them to fuck off.

They think they are calling out bad behaviour because an able bodied woman is parking in a disabled parking space.

I think they are pig ignorant shits who can't imagine that someone who looks "normal" is actually disabled.

So I think I'm calling out THEIR bad behaviour.

I've never had an apology from any of them. The closest I've got is "you don't look disabled".

Fuckers.

NotQuiteHere · 09/02/2024 16:45

Namechangey23

I would say him because I started off asking a question did he realise.

Was it really a question? What answer did you expect? You simply demanded an apology, probably in an aggressive manner.

Crazycatlady79 · 09/02/2024 16:43

Pick your battles when your children are with you?

I used to be incredibly reactionary, but in becoming a Mum of daughters, I've learnt not to STOP standing up for myself, but to do so more diplomatically and appropriately when my children are with me.

Namechangey23 · 09/02/2024 16:43

saraclara · 09/02/2024 16:30

You wrote the OP acknowledging that you were wrong and that you have a problem @Namechangey23 . But with every update you're making excuses for yourself.

It was fair enough that you reacted at the time by sitting send banging the car. You needed to get his attention and you perceived immediate danger to yourself and your baby.

But confronting him in the surgery was entirely pointless. The very fact that he'd parked elsewhere was enough to tell you that he'd recognised that he'd been wrong. There was absolutely no purpose in you confronting him. It was never going to achieve anything. You were doing it for your own satisfaction and nothing more.

You admitted (initially) that your tone was unpleasant and sarky (which was never going to result in an apology, let's face it). So why are you trying to defend yourself now?

Yes it was pointless. I've said I was hoping for an apology and to make him aware of what he'd done.. not making excuses actually you'll see I've said all along that I've called out my own behaviour and tried to understand how/why I reacted as I did. I have simply explained what I was thinking/feeling at the time at certain points so I supposed that may sound like excuses as it was my rational at the time.

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Morecatsarebetter · 09/02/2024 16:43

Or they just see it as weakness and rip the piss

Checken · 09/02/2024 16:43

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Cerealkiller4U · 09/02/2024 16:42

I’d like to think to myself the nicer you are the more people want to jelp

the more defensive you are the more it is mirrored.

you can argue with nice!!!!! Try it. People give up.

try it. I bet it turns your attitude around

Morecatsarebetter · 09/02/2024 16:41

I’ve backed down all my life. Now I see that people are getting more and more aggressive and entitled. Me me me. He wanted that space and fuck the fact OP’s car door was open. He wanted that space. I would’ve whacked his car with my hand. Would I have then carried it on in the dr’s reception? Doubtful, but I can see why OP did.

LadyKenya · 09/02/2024 16:41

Ohlookwhoitis · 09/02/2024 16:35

Plenty of people on this thread think what he did was ok. Some people are tying themselves in knots trying to defend his behaviour.

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No, that is not true. Pointing out that the OP made a poor choice to challenge the man, in the surgery, whilst holding her young child, is not the same as saying that what he did was ok. She was in charge of a young child, not him. Her response to situations, needs to be taken into consideration by her.

Cerealkiller4U · 09/02/2024 16:37

I now think. Is this the hill I want to die on. Because if I do end up getting stabbed etc….is it worth it?

because it can easily happen…people carry all sorts of things as my story above…

JennyGracexx · 09/02/2024 16:35

sunstreaming · 09/02/2024 16:27

These replies say more about the pre-conceptions of the people writing them, than about the facts of this case. The sort of car OP was driving is irrelevant and doesn't excuse the man's behaviour. We have a right to have an opinion about SUVs (I'm not keen on them) but that doesn't mean we can behave badly/unfairly/dangerously towards people who do drive them. We are not judge, jury and executioner!

It's worth looking at the facts: whatever the behaviour of Op in the surgery,which party was the more injured? The OP's safety and that of her child was put at risk by this man's behaviour,either accidentally or on purpose. She was therefore in a state of high arousal. It would have been better to react more assertively, but in the end, HE was only threatened by her words whereas OP and he child were put at material risk.

Here is what I think about someof the replies:

he was obviously not intending to run you over - irrelevant as bad things can happen even when people don't intend harm. If you tread on my toe, it hurts just as much whether it was accidental or on purpose.

I just tut and get on with my day and maybe tell my OH about it later -goes nowhere towards improving general behaviour and making the world a safer place. If bad behaviour is accepted then it becomes acceptable. And tutting to your OH, or making passive-aggressive posts on local social media, e.g. 'to the person who....' actually achieves nothing at all.

It is pretty obvious that he realised what happened given that you were screaming and shouting at him in the car park and that he drove off

But he only drove off after the second time you tried to alert him, so it does look as if he was deliberately ignoring you the first time,which is very scary and dangerous and unlawful.

He made a simple mistake in the car park. Nothing happened, Not so – he made a mistake, you alerted him to it and he did it again. No wonder you were scared.

But it is more likely that he just didn't check before reversing, and it was a mistake, or carelessness. IF the OP and her child had been injured the male driver would have been in big trouble. The fact that he wasn't intending them harm is irrelevant. Even if 'all' he did wrong was being careless, he was still not driving in a safe manner. In fact OP, by reacting as you did in the car park,you saved yourself and your child from injury and saved him from at least, being banned from driving, but maybe also from a fine and prison sentence. He should be grateful to you.

Maybe he has bad eyesight or bad depth perception so parking next to another car helps him cue it up. Maybe he's had bad health news and isn't feeling quite with it. Whatever is happening to him, he's in charge of a lethal weapon and if his state of mind means he can't use it safely, he needs to be aware of this. As I said before,an injury hurts just as much whatever the reason for it. He would not get away with it in Court if he injured or even killed someonein this sort of situation. And he'd have to live with himself. If he'snot fit to drive,then he shouldn't be driving.

He may have had a lot on his mind and have just assumed the op had seen him so would move out of his way. Indefensible way to act when driving.

if you'd posted this in a German forum, Good point. In many parts of Europe, if there's an incident between a car and a pedestrian, the car driver is automatically at fault.

a stranger who actually hadn't done anything wrong Yes he had! He was driving in a way likely to harm a pedestrian (which she was as out of the car and with her feet on the ground) and a child. Either he didn't realise that they were in his way,which is indefensible, or he didn't care and wanted to force them out of his way. Totally indefensible.

OP you were understandably frightened by this man's behaviour and did your best to alert him to what was happening – which he initially ignored. I can see that putting your child back in the car where he would then be unrestrained is something you didn't want to do. And also that even if you'd been able to do this in the time and then slam the door shut,your child would have been frightened –you could have trapped your or your child's fingers. And where were you supposed to go? Just flattening yourself against your car wouldn't have necessarily been safe and would also have been frightening. And could have resulted in him actually harming you -a much worse outcome for everyone.

Unfortunately, you put him into a defensive mode when you confronted him. A better thing to do in these circumstances, I think , is to be assertive, so here is a script.

'When you...describe what they did

I felt...describe how you felt. Maybe leave a pause where he could apologise. Then the rest of the script doesn't need to be used.

I would have preferred it if you...describe what you think they should have done.

It's hard to argue against because you haven't made any assumptions, just stuck to the facts and your feelings. Even the preferred behaviour is your opinion. This script works in many situations and although it feels strange to do and takes practice. But it means you have dealt with the problem, without backing the other person into a corner. Of course, they might still react in an angry way, but that's on them. I'd sooner live in a world were people challenged antisocial and unreasonable behaviour assertively like this, than one where it's handled aggressively or people are too scared to tackle it and poor behaviour becomes the norm.

I hope you feel better now. Maybe write a letter to the surgery,apologising for your part in this incident and thanking the Receptionist for coming to your aid. Good luck and I'm glad neither you not your child were innjured.

Thoroughly enjoyed reading that 😄

Cerealkiller4U · 09/02/2024 16:35

I mean. I see why…but I’m almost certain he want backing into the space to piss you off.

if that had of been me I’d of just shut the door and waited…

I once saw a guy beating his girlfriend up and she had blood pouring down her face. She was about 17…he was 6’5 and I had my 1 yr old in my arms. I shouted at him to stop. We were in a packed shopping centre. He came after me and the girlfriend tripped him up so he wasn’t able to catch me. The police got involved because after that it turns out he went and stabbed some 15 ye olds and I often wonder if I somehow made it worse for everyone involved. My mum was in a DV relationships and no one helped that poor girl. But maybe I made it worse for her? No one apart from her tripping him helped me when he came after me with a child in my arms. They thought I’d need to go to court because of what happened and I asked the officer why no one did anything and she said because people carry weapons with them as we found out….

so you can have the best will in the world and still get the shit.

Morecatsarebetter · 09/02/2024 16:35

YuleDragon · 09/02/2024 16:04

If i'd nearly run someone over i'd be apologising, not walking off, getting defensive when pulled up and then assaulting the woman i'd already nearly just injured on the car park.

Yep. Entitled doesn’t even begin to cover it. He didn’t “make a mistake”. He deliberately wanted that space and fuck the fact there was a mum in his way trying to get her child out of the car. Pig Ignorant behaviour. Then he showed more of his true colours by pushing the woman in the surgery. Us people pleasers are sick to the back teeth of all this

Ohlookwhoitis · 09/02/2024 16:35

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Plenty of people on this thread think what he did was ok. Some people are tying themselves in knots trying to defend his behaviour.

Vivi0 · 09/02/2024 16:34

YuleDragon · 09/02/2024 16:05

I cannot fathom how people are DEFENDING someone who nearly ran the OP and her Child over, TWICE, then physically assaulted them.

People are also pointing out that the OP’s behaviour isn’t okay.

The man is responsible for his own behaviour, but the OP is also responsible for hers.

It’s not okay to shout and scream at strangers, berate them, publically shame and insult them. It doesn’t matter if they did something “wrong”, it doesn’t entitle anyone to verbally abuse anyone else.

I’m not surprised to hear so many others admit to behaving like this, I’ve been on the receiving end of this kind of harassment and abuse and it’s horrible.

crackofdoom · 09/02/2024 16:34

That's a really good post sunstreaming.

Checken · 09/02/2024 16:32

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saraclara · 09/02/2024 16:30

You wrote the OP acknowledging that you were wrong and that you have a problem @Namechangey23 . But with every update you're making excuses for yourself.

It was fair enough that you reacted at the time by sitting send banging the car. You needed to get his attention and you perceived immediate danger to yourself and your baby.

But confronting him in the surgery was entirely pointless. The very fact that he'd parked elsewhere was enough to tell you that he'd recognised that he'd been wrong. There was absolutely no purpose in you confronting him. It was never going to achieve anything. You were doing it for your own satisfaction and nothing more.

You admitted (initially) that your tone was unpleasant and sarky (which was never going to result in an apology, let's face it). So why are you trying to defend yourself now?