Taylor Swift tickets

I could say the same to those not seeing how aggressively TS is marketed.

Exactly. He was the first solo male to be on the cover of Vogue, he's been cast in blockbuster films (once by his director then-girlfriend) despite having close to zero acting talent, and is selling out Wembley stadium this year. You couldn't move for coverage of his relationship when he was going out with Olivia Wilde.

I guess he's doing that all authentically though because he's got a northern accent and wears flares. And a penis obviously.

I see that the thread got derailed by some pointless debate about who likes/doesn't like TS but bottom line is most resales will invalidate the tickets. So you're more likely to lose money than earn anything.

I think HS is actually not nearly as marketed as TS is

Why not?

The cognitive dissonance is SO strong, it's fucking mindblowing.

Depends. The month I bought my ticket and hotel I just didn't put away as much in savings.

Am a bit sceptical about “benefits the economy” stuff though. What part of the economy - surely this is just about localised gains (and consequent potential loses). If a lot of people’s discretionary spend is being redirected in various directions connected to Taylor Swift’s tour and other places/things that might have otherwise been the recipient of that spend didn’t get it then it’s more about winners and losers than overall gain. Or am I missing something?

"They were manufactured, yes, but they weren't marked as aggressively as the TS product is."

Tbh I think the internet has made global marketing much more exaggerated than it was previously, just as it's exaggerated everything else.

"Also, calling them pishy doesn't help your argument."

I know. 🙂

For 'marked as aggressively' = too successful a woman for your ego to handle.

Sure that's what you were laughing at 😂

You are so transparent, mate.

They were manufactured, yes, but they weren't marked as aggressively as the TS product is.
Also, calling them pishy doesn't help your argument.

I think One Direction were a manufactured band, but I think HS is actually not nearly as marketed as TS is.
So, not funny at all really.

I haven't referred to other female artists as 'the product' either.
This isn't about her being female, stop trying to make this something it isn't.
Also, where did I say she didn't deserve success?

Just be careful if you do sell them as if you do it the wrong way then you may find they are get cancelled and there are no tickets and you are down the original £800. None of the tickets were cheap and if it’s going to make a big difference to your life and you can do it safely then do it. If you had bought a Pandora charm for £800 which suddenly because very collectible (say because Taylor Swift was seen wearing it) and you could sell it for £8000, would people be telling you that was wrong? I don’t see the difference here.

DD1 is going with her friend and DD2 would love to go having become a big Swiftie more recently. I considered getting £660 tickets for DD2 as a once in a lifetime experience but I didn’t because I’d been aware of how to get a presale code etc but I didn’t act on it as DD1 was the Swiftie at the time and I knew her friend (who was pre-ordering the CD) was going to get her a ticket. I couldn’t justify paying over £1,200 for two tickets when I’d been a position to make sure I got a pre-sale code and everyone I know who had one of those managed to get a cheaper ticket - and ultimately I need the money in my bank account more than Taylor Swift needs it from me. I didn’t know about the option to not buy the CD until I read it on here though and that was really useful as I got a pre-sale code for Bleachers by just registering on the website so thank you Mumsnet!

Poor old Taylor, I hope she doesn’t start getting a kicking. She’s the 34 year old boss of a
hugely successful enterprise, good luck to her.
I do think she has such wide appeal now that plenty of people are happy enough to leave the radio on a TS song they like is playing and turn it off if it’s one they don’t like without giving much thought to ubiquity or politics. DH was whistling “Shake Of Off” repeatedly the other day, I don’t think he was even aware he was doing it - if you asked him what ‘proper’ music was, he’d say “Led Zep IV”.

"But I don't care what people think of me and don't need validation."

I don't care what anyone thinks of me either, I just have a conscience and moral compass when it comes to this matter, which affects me, and only me. I don't care if that makes me sound pompous; I'm the one who has to face myself in the mirror each day. 🤷‍♀️

Do it! But why do you need validation?

You bought these tickets fair and square. They are yours to do whatever you please with. You're not forcing anyone to pay crazy amounts of money for them. If there are people stupid enough or rich enough (or both) to pay something like 8k to see some mediocre woman with a very mediocre voice strutting on a stage for a couple of hours, I don't see any problems. I'd sell them in a heartbeat. But I don't care what people think of me and don't need validation.

Of course there are manufactured male pop stars! Thirty years ago we had drippy, pishy boy bands like Boyzone, Wetshite Westlife etc. And so it continues.

I don't know why this thread has turned into a TS pile on. I have no opinion on the woman, I just despise ticket touts. I've been lucky - and grateful - to be on the guest list for artists I love, not once did I ever think of selling the tickets I'd bought for any more than face value. It's just not what true fans or decent people do. Not that anyone would offer £8000 for tickets for the people I love! 😅 But it's the principle that matters here.

This makes me sad, as a genuine fan who has been checking and checking resale sites for any reasonably priced tickets, it's just never gonna happen is it.

Of course there's a male equivalent of Taylor Swift; his name is Harry Styles. Nobody calls him a product despite being literally selected via a Simon Cowell talent show. Funny, that.

No male artist is ever referred to as 'the product'. Ever.

'They wouldn't shake their heads and question how much of this I deserve', indeed...

I found it laughable that you felt you had to tell me this.
Of course a well marketed product would potentially be an asset to the economy.
I also didn't make any suggestion that women don't/can't positively affect the economy - lots of them do!

In future I will keep my feelings to TS to myself.....well I will try.

👋wasbe

You laughed at my comment that TS benefits the economy and I showed you the proof, now you're back to the 'product' attack. God forbid that a woman be responsible for positively affecting livelihoods right with her music right?

OK.

Yep, a well marketed product, and?

TBH I feel have explained as much as I can explain regarding the TS 'product'.
If you like the brand then so be it, enjoy it, I just cannot get away from the apparent falseness of it all. I don't 'hate' her because she's a successful female, as some pp have tried to suggest, in fact I don't 'hate' her at all, but equally there is just something about her/the product/the marketing that doesn't sit right with me. I have listened to a fair bit of her music, some accidentally, some even initially not realising who it was, but none of it does anything for me at all!
I do have mixed tastes though, as my spotify playlists will reveal (yes, I use spotify!), and am certainly not a music snob/puritan/other random insult somebody might throw.
In future I will keep my feelings to TS to myself.....well I will try.