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NRP should pay for costs of contact, during contact - AIBU?

38 replies

PurpleSaucepan · 05/02/2024 16:52

2 parents - no longer together
Kids live with mum, and occasionally see dad, when dad wants to - usually in school holidays.

Mum has more money generally than dad. Not massively more, but enough to get by. Mum does not claim maintenance and pays for everything for dc. Dad occasionally gives money for specific things, like school trips. Mum does not ask for this but accepts when it is offered.

When dad does see dc he usually asks mum for money for travel, food or activities while dc are with him.

Mum does not believe that she should have to contribute to his costs while he has the children. Every time he mucks her about, saying if she doesn't give money he can't have dc after all (having told the dc about the plans and they have got excited about it). He usually ends up taking them anyway, but not until he has got mum thoroughly upset, often for weeks beforehand.

WIBU to tell mum to just not engage, say he can have dc on dates requested but she's not contributing and then not discussing it any more?

He guilt trips her, says he can't afford food and heating when dc aren't there because of the costs of having them. Says he's so generous because he contributes to some things here and there and so she should pay for xyz. Kids tell him mum has bought for eg. a new household item, and dad then says she can afford all these luxuries so she should pay xyz.

I expect it's obvious by now, but they split due to abuse - all sorts including financial.

OP posts:
DocOck · 05/02/2024 17:18

No, that's true but if they're not abiding by the court order, you can go back to court and have the contact removed.

Lonecatwithkitten · 05/02/2024 17:18

DocOck · 05/02/2024 17:06

They have a contact order but dad doesn't stick to it. Can't make him have them if he won't.

That's the whole point of a court order, you can. Otherwise he's in breach and could be fined etc.

Sadly this is not the case. Court orders force RP to make the children available they do not force the NRP to take the children.

Stressfordays · 05/02/2024 17:17

It's his loss if he doesn't see the kids. She should claim maintenance and just not tell the kids when contact will happen as it causes disappointment. As long as the kids are available for contact time, that's her part done. She shouldn't be giving him money!

Sprogonthetyne · 05/02/2024 17:15

Depending on their age could she not tell the kids that they might be seeing dad until just before, so no excitement and no potential for disappointment. Tell him a time/date that they will be available, make it clear there will be no financial incentive andleave it up to him if he shows up or not.

PurpleSaucepan · 05/02/2024 17:14

You can't enforce a court order to make a parent see their dc when they don't want to. That's not how it works. She has been told this by solicitors while they were going through the court process - the aim was to get a settled schedule that he would stick to and not mess her around, she was warned that if it didn't work there was no redress on the parent not seeing them / only one a parent withholding them.

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Sausagesinthesky · 05/02/2024 17:07

Claim maintenance for goodness sake!

DocOck · 05/02/2024 17:06

They have a contact order but dad doesn't stick to it. Can't make him have them if he won't.

That's the whole point of a court order, you can. Otherwise he's in breach and could be fined etc.

Bluenotgreen · 05/02/2024 17:05

He is a very cheeky fucker.

My main concern is why is she depriving her children of the money their father should be paying on a regular basis? Can she go through CMS?

Windydaysandwetnights · 05/02/2024 17:03

Wow what a df... My mate once had to collect her dd from school as she wasn't well. Ex came and offered to have her at his house as me and mate were supposed to be going shopping... He stood loitering in the hallway.... Until mate gave him a tin of soup from her cupboard for his dd's lunch. If I hadn't had prem ds with me we would have stayed in with her dd...

PurpleSaucepan · 05/02/2024 17:02

They have a contact order but dad doesn't stick to it. Can't make him have them if he won't.

I won't keep out of it because sure it's a very close friend, thanks. Are friends not allowed to ask and take advice from each other?

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DocOck · 05/02/2024 17:00

Mum needs to claim maintenance through CSA, and no she does not need to be paying any costs on Dad's contact time. Also get a proper contact order in place, he doesn't get to pick and choose when he sees the kids!

CatOnAMushroom · 05/02/2024 16:58

Mum should claim maintenance. Dad's costs are his responsibility

InAnotherLifetimeMaybe · 05/02/2024 16:56

I'd say keep well out of it!