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Best friend only wants to catch up with me (childfree) at kid-oriented venues

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PlaygroundSusie · 03/02/2024 12:23

Hi all - I’m childfree, so I hope it’s ok for me to post here. But I’d really appreciate some advice/perspective from parents.

My best friend and I are both 38. Met at uni. She has two children, DS aged 7 and a DD aged 3. She and her kids come as a package deal. She chooses not to socialise without them. This is because (as she’s explained) she wants to cherish every moment while they are still young. She works part-time and her kids are in loads of activities, so family time is vitally important to her.

I respect her decision and understand her kids are her top priority. I am also fond of her children and enjoy seeing them. The problem arises in where we meet. My friend never wants to stop at home. She always wants to catch up at very child-friendly venues. Usually playgrounds, but sometimes places like petting zoos, children's museums, festivals aimed at pre-schoolers, etc.

This means her kids are usually excitable, and easily distracted, and tend to race around a lot. Or they need help navigating the slide, or want to be pushed on the swings, etc. About 80% of my time is usually spent watching or helping my friend parent her children, and only 20% is us actually catching up and having a proper conversation.

On the very rare occasions we meet at her house, it’s much better. The split is more like 50/50. I happily interact with her children for a bit, but then they drift off to their toys, backyard, etc, and my friend and I chat. But unfortunately, my friend and her kids get bored at home, and prefer to get out of the house. Cafes are occasionally an option if it’s raining, or too hot, but otherwise they want the playground or some other place specifically designed for kids.

At the risk of sounding horrible, I’m tired of always catching up at child-oriented venues. I’ve been doing this for years, and there seems to be no end in sight. I’ve reached my limit. We’re catching up this weekend, and I suggested meeting at a café in a park (I figured we could maybe have coffee then go for a walk afterward). Her response was: “DS7 and DD3 would prefer to meet you at the playground. So, the playground it is – LOL!” Again, I appreciate her children come first, but I did find this a bit frustrating. Shouldn’t the grown-ups get to choose the venue?

AIBU? Is there a polite way I could tell her I’m sick of always meeting at child-oriented venues, and that I’d vastly prefer to simply catch-up at her house or a café? Any other suggestions? I feel like such an awful friend for feeling this way!

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the7Vabo · 06/02/2024 10:36

If you’re happy to OP I’d do what the above poster suggested and see less of her in this stage of her life but keep in touch so when her kids are gone beyond this stage you can hopefully resume adult meet-ups.

I feel sorry for her. Kids grow up so quickly and she should treasure it but if she makes it her whole world than she’ll be heartbroken when her kids naturally want to hang out with their peers.

Abeona · 06/02/2024 10:28

I'm happily child free. I've let a lot of friends go when they were were living child-focussed lives. Of course the children have to come first — and it was also reasonable of me to feel that walking in parks with toddlers, child-minding at soft play or picking Lego out of my feet was no substitute for the stimulating adult activities and conversation that our friendship was based on. 10, 15, 20 years down the line, a surprising number of those women are back to adult-focussed life and we have picked up where we left off. It's sad for both you and your friend, but things have changed. Move on, find new friends and stay in touch with her so that she knows where to find you when she emerges from this stage of her life.

PlaygroundSusie · 06/02/2024 10:27

Sususudio · 05/02/2024 15:36

Reading your updates, she sounds such a prize bore.. Cant you find better friends? Not even child-free ones, there are plenty of mums who can stand to be away from their kids.

I do have other friends - both with and without kids. (The ones with kids definitely aren't this extreme!). But she just happens to be one of my best and oldest friends. So - not having kids myself - I wondered if there was something I'm missing, hence me starting this thread. :-)

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PlaygroundSusie · 06/02/2024 10:25

fitzwilliamdarcy · 05/02/2024 15:28

Agreed. Did you manage to have any proper conversation this time OP?

Yes, we managed a fairly decent chat at the cafe. The playground less so, because her kids were distracted (and distracting!), running about, her DD still needed her assistance on the various bits of play equipment, etc. It's usually the way.

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PopandFizz · 06/02/2024 10:21

Can't believe some of the responses from mothers on here!

No, adults don't get to pick the venue and kids just have to suck it up. It's their childhood, for you it's just an average day.

If you want to see your friend without her kids then ask for that, ask to meet in the evening and let dad or someone else look after the kids.
You can't expect children to sit bored so that you, a 38 Yr old, can do what you want to do. It's not fair. Kids don't get joy out of sitting and having a coffee.

Tell your friend you want a child free catch up if this is how you feel. This is part and parcel of catching up with mums when theye got the kids with them. I bet your friend really looks forward to it.

PlaygroundSusie · 06/02/2024 10:21

Hardbackwriter · 05/02/2024 15:12

It makes me a bit sad that you refer to this as 'a compromise' when, basically, you ended up doing exactly what she wanted again. Being honest, is that the dynamic between you for most things? She gets to choose and you just go along with what she wants? I've had friendships where that's how things have developed and once you start noticing you won't stop.

I thought it was a compromise because on this outing, we took it in turns to do what the other wanted. I wanted to go to a cafe, so we did. She and her kids wanted to go to the playground, and we did. We spent equal time at both places.

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LibbyL92 · 06/02/2024 09:40

Her children would prefer to meet you at the play park?

I’m sorry but she’s the adult she should decide where she is going. Not being dictated by her kids!

you’re a better friend than I. I’ve told my friends with kids I have absolutely no interest in meeting up with them and their kids together. And they’ve fully respected that.

don’t get me wrong, I’ll pop round for a bit of lunch sometimes. But if we’re going out there’s no way I’m going with kids in tow. I want to see my friends not their kids.

EmpressaurusOfTheScathingTinsel · 06/02/2024 07:38

Justfinking · 06/02/2024 00:44

Doesn't work on a Samsung. Unless you know a way??

If you’re on the mobile site it should work.

DangerousAlchemy · 06/02/2024 06:27

I feel sorry for your friend tbh OP - she'll look round in 6-10 years when her kids are teenagers & much more independent & realise she has few good friends left & her kids have a better social life than she does. Children can suck all the life out of a person if allowed. Unless her kids are up at 5 am every day going to bed every night at 9 pm is also crazy unless she has a medical condition. She's going to massively struggle during the perimenopause! I have a good Uni friend I've know for 30 years who now has terminal cancer. Life is far too short to spend time with self-centered, boring friends who are rigid & inflexible. See her occasionally I guess & crack on with living your best life and having tons of fun without her.

Sadza · 06/02/2024 06:23

You sound really lovely and a great friend. I’m not sure many people would have put up with this one sided arrangement for so long. Your friend also has a responsibility towards you and your friendship, but seems unwilling to give you time or consideration. You don’t have children but that doesn’t make you less worthy! Just say, could we have a quiet coffee as I’m needing to chill a bit. If she suggests a play park just decline and leave the ball in her court. Would the kids not like some time with dad or other friends??

DangerousAlchemy · 06/02/2024 06:20

Justfinking · 06/02/2024 00:44

Doesn't work on a Samsung. Unless you know a way??

@Justfinking I have a Samsung & this feature works for me/has worked for ages

Justfinking · 06/02/2024 00:44

WhereYouLeftIt · 05/02/2024 23:00

I suppose it's still a relatively new feature, but clicking on the 'See all' option, on any of the OP's posts, will show you ALL her posts and save people from forming their response on the basis of the first post ONLY.

Doesn't work on a Samsung. Unless you know a way??

Harry12345 · 05/02/2024 23:35

I think this is totally selfish behaviour, I have children and would never have expected my friends to want to hang around my children and do kid stuff

Blinky21 · 05/02/2024 23:27

I ditched a friend because of this, her whole personality got consumed by her child to the point her profile picture was just of the child, that's when I knew the metamorphosis was finally complete and I gave up on her

TheaBrandt · 05/02/2024 23:14

Wow I admire your loyalty. A child bore who doesn’t drink won’t socialise in adult venues goes to bed at 9pm and voluntarily spends her life in playgrounds is my idea of a nightmare friend. Amazed you’ve stuck around.

Has she not figured out yet that young children is just a stage that ends? She seems to have made it her whole personality. She’s going to struggle.

WhereYouLeftIt · 05/02/2024 23:00

I suppose it's still a relatively new feature, but clicking on the 'See all' option, on any of the OP's posts, will show you ALL her posts and save people from forming their response on the basis of the first post ONLY.

Best friend only wants to catch up with me (childfree) at kid-oriented venues
Northe · 05/02/2024 22:29

Ooo I think this is quite interesting. Maybe you could treat her to an adult activity (theatre tickets? Wine tasting?) for a birthday or something and use it to catalyse a conversation about how you love to see the kids but it's brilliant to see her one on one. Honestly though, my genuine friends are the ones who see me however that can happen. If they just want to be out of the house can't you offer your house and get them some activities to keep them busy?

DangerousAlchemy · 05/02/2024 20:55

jeaux90 · 03/02/2024 13:00

Is she a lone parent?

My Dsis is a lone parent of a DS 7 & she would NEVER treat her friends like this @jeaux90 plus when I visit her without my own DC we do normal things that an adult would also enjoy. She certainly doesn't force me to hang out in playgrounds & soft play all the time. Shudder. Parents who claim they don't want to miss a second or can't bear to be away from their precious DC for even one hour are so full of crap or just derranged imo.

MeridaBrave · 05/02/2024 20:46

She is selfish. I’d just say no. Why can’t she go out for dessert / drink at 8.30pm after they are in bed. Or if she is a lone parent bring round a take away after kids are in bed. I think your a bit mad too for going along with it for so long.

Noodles1234 · 05/02/2024 20:20

I’m knackered and happily go to bed early, I don’t drink as I tend to drive as up early the next day every day…. BUT I will go out and see friends in an evening and drink soft drinks and enjoy catching up with friends, I’d feel bad asking a child free friend to attend family activity places as for all I know they could be ttc or something sensitive.

maybe she’s stuck in a bubble, lightly yet firmly suggest you’d like to go somewhere different, a coffee bar in the evening etc say they do such great coffee …. Good luck!

Sjh15 · 05/02/2024 20:05

I have 2 yo, work very part time, my son is my life
but
most of the time I see my friends, I’m without him. I NEED friend time alone, without him, I need the adult chatter
you are not being unreasonable. Your friend needs to appreciate you don’t have children and would be nice just the two of you. It’s a bit weird..:: has she got a partner the children can be left with? If not, it would be difficult for her I guess

Sususudio · 05/02/2024 15:36

Reading your updates, she sounds such a prize bore.. Cant you find better friends? Not even child-free ones, there are plenty of mums who can stand to be away from their kids.

Feelinadequate23 · 05/02/2024 15:36

christ OP, you're a saint to be putting up with this! I have kids and would absolutely hate this!

My friends and I either go to each other's houses, go to somewhere like softplay, where the kids run off on their own, or get together in the evening (we also like early nights, so we let the dads do bedtimes and we meet for dinner around 7pm). I don't know any mum who behaves anything like your friend!

Hate to say it but she sounds insufferable. You are likely the only person who has stuck around to put up with this!

fitzwilliamdarcy · 05/02/2024 15:28

Hardbackwriter · 05/02/2024 15:12

It makes me a bit sad that you refer to this as 'a compromise' when, basically, you ended up doing exactly what she wanted again. Being honest, is that the dynamic between you for most things? She gets to choose and you just go along with what she wants? I've had friendships where that's how things have developed and once you start noticing you won't stop.

Agreed. Did you manage to have any proper conversation this time OP?

ElitebookBang · 05/02/2024 15:22

She is selfish and not thinking about your needs at all. When I went out with my childfree friends, I never brought up my kids as there are plenty of other interesting topics to talk about. Stop being such a doormat and put yourself first for a change. If she doesn’t compromise, then she is no good friend.

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