What do you think the sentence should be for murder?

A life for a life imo. Whether it’s rape, drunk driving, serial
killer etc. if you kill someone(or make their life not worth living) you lose your life too, so, prison ‘til you die.

Far too soft in this country.

I’m sure I’ve heard/read theories about why it’s not a good idea for life to mean life. That prisoners who are know they are locked up forever are harder to deal with, because they know no matter what they do they aren’t getting out, so there is no incentive to learn, change etc, there is no hope. People with hope and an incentive to try and become a better human being make a better prison environment. I’m not sure how true that is though!

Life in prison should mean life in prison.

In some cases I am in favour of the death penalty.

for thr two sentenced today, they should never be released. Ever. To be such violent sadists at the age of 15 makes me think they will always be a danger.

I'm not in favour of the death penalty but I do think people should be able to choose to be euthanised if they are convicted of murder. I wonder how many actually would though.

Life for a life thats How it should be to many people killing people and the age is now just getting younger hear about 11-16 17 year old stabbing people it’s not right

The problem with the idea that life sentence should mean whole of life in every case is that it means the offender has no incentive at all to participate in any therapy/ education/ constructive work, no hope of anything changing in their life. This puts prison staff in (more) danger

The judge said they gave shorter sentences because they are children. I think the fact that they planned a brutal murder at that age makes it worse. They're clearly little psychopaths that will never be rehabilitated and never released from prison. In such a premeditated brutal murder, it should be lifetime imprisonment

It's more of an issue that the probation service are horribly underfunded and the botched privatisation meant that many experienced probation officers left and therefore it is harder to keep track of released prisoners and ensure they're keeping to their licence terns.

Yep

@SameSameButDeliverance ..same here. I found the explanations and considerations very interesting and thought the judge has clearly taken a very in-depth and wide ranging view of the circumstances. As a process...notwithstanding the incredibly sad and tragic death of B....it was far more nuanced and complex than I had realised.

not all killings are the same. women who murder men who abuse them shouldn't be held to the same standard as a gang member who randomly targets someone.

I feel very strongly that the death penalty is totally wrong. There have been so many miscarriages of justice where the person imprisoned for the crime is later exonerated.

The starting point for murder is life imprisonment but without possibility of parole for [x] years. This seems reasonable to me.

It's more of an issue that the probation service are horribly underfunded and the botched privatisation meant that many experienced probation officers left and therefore it is harder to keep track of released prisoners and ensure they're keeping to their licence terns.

Life does mean life, the sentence is with them until they die. You mean life imprisonment should mean life imprisonment.

I listened to the the judges entire sentencing speech and it was extremely nuanced and detailed. I think it unlikely that the girl (am purposely avoiding using her name) will ever be released.

I agree that a ‘one sentence fits all’ method is both unworkable and unreasonable.

I do not believe in the death penalty.

I cried a number of times during the sentencing hearing and found it unutterably sad for both Brianna and her parents. I also feel sad that these other 2 children are so so so disturbed.

For people killed by bad drivers I think the sentences are a joke.

constantly looking over the shoulder in case other prisoners may want to attack them
So you condone inmate violence?

I think the sentencing guidelines as they are are fine.

If he was found guilty of murder he didn't get 19 years. He would have got life, the judge may have recommended a minimum tariff of 19 years but the life sentence is imposed for all murders.

The death penalty is no better than murder, does not act as a detergent and would serve no purpose. It takes humanity backwards not forwards

Is it cheaper than housing criminals for years?

I think it should be minimum 30 years

It means very different things in practice, though.

There is a mandatory life sentence for murder.

My friends murderer was sentenced this week. He got 19 years. 19 years for killing the woman he was supposed to love. Its insufficient. Nothing will bring my lovely friend back, and her murderer should not see the light of day again.

@Catza completely agree. It makes people feel better to imagine they're monsters but murder is largely due to a million factors. Hopelessness being one.