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Family didn’t pay

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LonelyonThames · 02/02/2024 19:07

I’m in the middle of a discussion with my DH about the events of his birthday meal last week.

I had booked a table for my DH, his sister, her husband, their DC and our parents. Everyone had a good time and towards the end of the meal I felt worried that it would be awkward to sit and divide the bill up between such a large group. I went over and paid discreetly.

To my surprise, upon leaving not a single person asked whether the meal had been paid for. I felt very taken aback that nobody even thanked me for paying for the whole meal, let alone asking if they could contribute. No discussion about money was had prior to the meal.

AIBU in expecting my DH’s sister and husband to have at least asked about payment? I can understand our parents not asking or paying but don’t understand why his sibling wouldn’t enquire about the cost?

OP posts:
Mamanyt · 02/02/2024 23:34

Unless otherwise stated UP FRONT, the person doing the inviting to a celebratory gathering like that is expected to cover the cost. Your only mistake was in not doing so when you invited them. In the future, make it clear from the outset, and, when ordering, say, "We'd like separate checks, please."

CJsGoldfish · 02/02/2024 23:30

Generally at the end of a meal, we'd all sort out payment. Sometimes it's indivudual, sometimes we just split, sometimes one person pays and we all transfer money to them.
If someone snuck of and paid the bill, I'd assume they wanted to pay. Of course, I'd say thank you but the bill taken care of with no discussion? At worst, they have dreadful manners 🤷‍♀️
Or are seething with jealousy at the boat 😂

Mumwithbaggage · 02/02/2024 23:25
  1. How do you fancy us all going out to celebrte dh's birthday? We quite like xxxxxxxxxx but are open to suggestions xx#
  2. Please come and join us at Luigi's to velebrate DH's birthday xx

Number 1, everyone pays for themselves, number 2 you have i
nvited them so you expect to pay in lieu of having them round to your house. Obviously either way, good manners on the part of your guests are expected.

It's my 60th this week. We re eating out on Saturday with 4dcs and their partners. I am expecting to pay as I am inviting them. Or dh will pay - same thing. I know they will all say thank you.

pootlin · 02/02/2024 23:24

LonelyonThames · 02/02/2024 21:21

it’s a 40-foot cruiser and I just meant that owning a boat means you can easily be taken for a ride

Take them for a ride then.

Mimami · 02/02/2024 23:21

LonelyonThames · 02/02/2024 19:24

Thank you all for your honest replies.

just to give some context: I have always felt that my DH’s DS is jealous of me, particularly because we recently purchased our own boat.

Edited

What's that got to do with anything?

Donewiththisshit · 02/02/2024 23:13

This has happened to me before. I sent a message to everyone saying that I found it odd and hurtful that no one even considered how the bill had been paid and just left without paying. A few were sheepish and half heartedly offered some cash.
I tend to be generous generally, way too generous really.
I have realised that if you repeatedly pay or take responsibility for the bill people just expect it, become entitled. and are not grateful. I’m trying to stop being the first one to get the round, to cover the bills or be the one that always pays more. People just take you for a mug. I’m sorry that happened to you and I felt exactly as you did.

arethereanyleftatall · 02/02/2024 23:09

I keep reading the posts in between the ops first and second one to see if anyone said 'did you just buy a boat?' As otherwise I cannot fathom how that was a follow up post for context.

NoOrdinaryMorning · 02/02/2024 23:08

@StarlightLime I wasn't calling OP entitled. I was responding to a PP

nocalorieleftbehind · 02/02/2024 23:02

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 02/02/2024 22:54

I can understand them not offering in this instance-you invited them and you went off and paid.

What I can’t understand is why no one thanked you; that’s fucking rude

Not necessarily.

As I said, we don't say thank you for settling the bill in my family. We're transparent about money (because we're family) so it's known who the higher earners are and that they can afford it.

If the ones who never pay had to say thank you all the time, that would feel bloody weird. They don't pay because they can't afford to pay, and it would be weird to make them acknowledge all the time that they're poor.

To us, family means taking care of each other, whether that's silently settling the bill or bringing someone painkillers when they're poorly sick. You just get on with it in whatever capacity you can manage. 🤷‍♀️

Of course we thank friends and strangers, but within our little family circle, the thank you is always assumed and not spoken. Different families have different cultures/norms.

MyGooseisTotallyLoose · 02/02/2024 23:01

Why would it be a treat for your dh that you paid for your parents meal? Am sure he'd rather his sibling came to a birthday meal than your family?

ThinWomansBrain · 02/02/2024 22:58

I think I would have asked about my share of the bill - but TBH by going off quietly and paying it, that's kind of indicating you're taking care of it.
how would it have been embarrassing for the waiter to turn up and the bill be split three ways?

momonpurpose · 02/02/2024 22:58

In my family 9 out of 10 times I pay just because I'm in a better financial situation and they would not be able to pay even just themselves. I take them out a few times per year. But they always thank me. Sometimes even a follow up thank you text. Saying thank you is free. I'd be irritated by the no thank you. If they can afford it next time make it clear separate checks.

TiptoeTess · 02/02/2024 22:55

Snorted a bubble out my nose at the boat bit 😂

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 02/02/2024 22:54

I can understand them not offering in this instance-you invited them and you went off and paid.

What I can’t understand is why no one thanked you; that’s fucking rude

TraitorRoundTable · 02/02/2024 22:54

LonelyonThames · 02/02/2024 19:24

Thank you all for your honest replies.

just to give some context: I have always felt that my DH’s DS is jealous of me, particularly because we recently purchased our own boat.

Edited

Stealth boast 😂
What happens if they invite you out, do they pay?

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 02/02/2024 22:52

It sounds as though they think you’re minted and have assumed the meal was on you.

StarlightLime · 02/02/2024 22:51

NoOrdinaryMorning · 02/02/2024 22:47

That's an astonishingly entitled attitude

Why? Op chose to pay, and didn't ask for any reimbursement.
Where's the entitlement?

CountryGirl89 · 02/02/2024 22:50

NoOrdinaryMorning · 02/02/2024 22:47

That's an astonishingly entitled attitude

You say that, but in the same scenario as OP describe I've been roundly rebuffed by people slipping away to pay!
I'd give people the benefit of the doubt unless they have a history of being CF's. You should always mention cost etc in advance.
They should have thanked her, but the 'discreetly' makes it seem like OP doesn't want a, erm, fuss.
Otherwise... why didn't she pay in front of everyone else? Why the need for such secrecy and discretion?
Also maybe they were expecting to be sent the bill later?

FYI I ALWAYS ask about money upfront to avoid all this hassle. Not just to avoid appearing entitled but also because I refuse to pay for any CF's that order lots of expensive stuff and insist on an even bill split.

BobbyBiscuits · 02/02/2024 22:49

You purchased your own boat and your DH's sister is jealous, so she instigated the whole family's refusal to offer payment or say thank you when you paid for a family birthday meal? I think that's a bit of a reach.

You wanted to be 'subtle' by sneaking off and paying everything, so they were being 'subtle' by letting you get on with it. I think they were extremely rude not to have thanked you, but as you invited them maybe they thought you wanted to treat them?

There are 2 things you can do, ask in retrospect for payment off them, or ignore it and do not pay for anything for them ever again. Can you afford to lose the money this once?

BungleandGeorge · 02/02/2024 22:48

If you slip off discreetly to pay the bill away from the table it means you’re paying. If you want to split the bill you get it at the table and each pay by whatever means is your preference. Surely that part at least is universal? They potentially have thanked your dh when they realised you were away paying? I wouldn’t generally expect family to pay if I invited them out for a birthday

NoOrdinaryMorning · 02/02/2024 22:47

Octavia64 · 02/02/2024 19:19

Yes YABU.

If I was invited out for a meal and no bill appeared at the table but the host made moves to leave I would assume they had paid and were happy with paying.

If the host was family (my mum) I might argue with her about paying but we have a you pay one I pay the next arrangement so probably not.

I would not offer to pay as I'd consider that going against what you clearly wanted (you went off to pay discreetly).

That's an astonishingly entitled attitude

Lemsipper · 02/02/2024 22:45

Dotchange · 02/02/2024 19:13

I think you sent very mixed signals. You invited them, and without any explanation you quietly went and paid. I would assume you were treating, and because you had said nothing, I would assume you didn’t want a fuss.

How strange….so you wouldn’t say thank you?

nocalorieleftbehind · 02/02/2024 22:43

I think this is a problem of your own making. If you don't want to settle the whole bill, don't settle the whole bill!

In my family, whoever reaches for the bill first pays (and only the ones who can afford it are expected to reach for the bill). Thanks are assumed. You can assume thanks with family.

Tbry24 · 02/02/2024 22:43

If you invite family to a special family birthday meal you do normally pay as you are the host, unless you make it clear in advance that you can’t afford it. But relations normally say thank you at the time and a thank you card afterwards etc.

TiredCatLady · 02/02/2024 22:34

Oh I’ve been here. Got stung for a painfully expensive one last year and frankly disgusted with “family” over it. Do they have you pegged as a higher earner? No DC to pay for? Oh bingo then you’re the mug who can afford it in their minds.
You might have to lose this round but don’t put your hand in your pocket in future and if future events are to be split I’d quietly find a way to say “oh but I thought given…”.

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