If VAT is added on Private School Fees, then it will be added onto University fees as well

https://www.hansardsociety.org.uk/blog/2019-mock-elections-higher-turnout-and-different-outcome-than-the-real

Here you go, I would like to see more of this in schools, including private schools. We need to get the next generation involved in the election.

agreed

i don’t think that at all

but i was wondering whether @Araminta1003 passion on this issue on this thread and her views on the need to prove and understand translated to any action beyond mumsnet?

With an election looming, if everyone raising political questions is accused of being an activist/journalist/politician with an agenda, it is going to be a long and frustrating few months on MN.

I don't think they would add VAT to HE as it will impact their core voters.

Sounds like you've put two and two together and made 3 million there.

And no,I don't give a fuck what Labour do with private schools, so it won't be a reason I wouldn't vote for them. If they didn't have a good policy on COL/economy, education and SEND provision and housing that would put me off voting for them because those are the big issues for me and most voters.

i was only curious about the “extensive volunteering” in the state school bit

@shewasrooting - I am not going to out myself but suffice to say I am definitely not campaigning for any party. My day job is in the legal sector. It is as simple as wanting to understand. Post Brexit and post Covid I no longer have faith in a “wait and see” approach proposed by politicians with no expert knowledge or understanding.

but on another thread you say* *I am not from a privileged background. I am from a working class background, and I know that children only get one chance**

with parents that were in jobs that both allowed for international positions and funding private sixth form boarding school for at least one child?

university fees are high as they are. When I graduated, it was £1100 a year. Good old times.

So why can we not at least try and go back and build on our ties with the EU which did work previously? Why can we not make that something to look forward to? We cannot undo Covid but we can undo Brexit somewhat? Why don’t we beat them with that they did to our country?

doing what may i ask?

Who am I campaigning for on MN @shewasrooting?

I volunteer extensively in the local education sector on the day I do not work.

beyond spending hours debating and campaigning on mumsnet @Araminta1003

are you actually doing anything in RL in terms of local politics?

Once the precedent is set for VAT in education, it can be applied anywhere. It will also eventually be applied to healthcare.

This is a very poor policy and political misstep from Starmer which will bite Labour on the bum.

Dare I say it, there are parties other than Tories or Labour.

No you aren't.

@Araminta1003 you are right and pp incorrect

There are people who switch, which is why landslides happen

“Both the 2015 and 2017 General Elections saw more people change their vote than ever before, with nearly half the country (49%) voting for different parties across the three elections from 2010-17. The BES – the leading survey of voting patterns in the UK – has identified an historic trend in which voters have become less loyal or partisan, and provides a new explanation for that trend.

It found that voters are hugely influenced by unique events or issues it describes as “electoral shocks”. Examples include the 2008 economic crash, the 2010-15 coalition government, the rise in immigration, the Scottish referendum and – most critically in the current moment – Brexit.”

https://www.britishelectionstudy.com/bes-resources/press-release-most-volatile-british-electorate-in-modern-times/#.Xdp4BDL7QWo

There appears to be a MN myth that you are a Tory or Labour etc - which is just not born out by the facts.

49%!
I am confident the Labour Party will win this election unless they do something terrible to mess it up somehow. But let’s not pretend once a Tory always a Tory, once Labour, always Labour, very disingenous.

And how many floating voters are there numerically in this country? There are many otherwise elections would not keep shifting from one party to the other.

“After the 14 year shitshow we have had from this corrupt, immoral, greedy government, we have seen public services and public spending decimated while at the same time they have poured billions of public monies into the pockets of Tory cronies, creating more millionaires and billionaires than in any other 10 year period in our history and pushing more families into poverty that in any other 10 year period.
We have a housing crisis, an environmental crisis, an NHS at death's door. They have worsened every single aspect of our economy. Our Education system is unfit for purpose because of their appalling curriculum changes.
They have damaged provision for women, children, the sick, the elderly, and people with special needs. They have shown themselves to be racist, sexist, immoral, corrupt and driven by capitalism. We are in a lower place in the world in every single measure now than 14 years ago and there is not a single country that admires what we do. We're a joke.
Anyone who calls themselves a 'floating voter' and would even consider voting Tory in this election is a Tory at heart- selfish, greedy for wealth above anything else and small-minded.”

So why can we not at least try and go back and build on our ties with the EU which did work previously? Why can we not make that something to look forward to? We cannot undo Covid but we can undo Brexit somewhat? Why don’t we beat them with that they did to our country?

No you aren't.

After the 14 year shitshow we have had from this corrupt, immoral, greedy government, we have seen public services and public spending decimated while at the same time they have poured billions of public monies into the pockets of Tory cronies, creating more millionaires and billionaires than in any other 10 year period in our history and pushing more families into poverty that in any other 10 year period.
We have a housing crisis, an environmental crisis, an NHS at death's door. They have worsened every single aspect of our economy. Our Education system is unfit for purpose because of their appalling curriculum changes.
They have damaged provision for women, children, the sick, the elderly, and people with special needs. They have shown themselves to be racist, sexist, immoral, corrupt and driven by capitalism. We are in a lower place in the world in every single measure now than 14 years ago and there is not a single country that admires what we do. We're a joke.
Anyone who calls themselves a 'floating voter' and would even consider voting Tory in this election is a Tory at heart- selfish, greedy for wealth above anything else and small-minded.

well if you have the funds, then in inevitable times of uncertainty, certainly sensible to being in tax advisors to provide professional advice on the implications of various “somethings”

And I guess all schools are used to it due to Covid, I mean there was one rule in the morning from the DFE and a next by the evening and one school in one borough/LA could be located next to another school geographically, but in a different LA and have a different rule imposed by the LA last minute. So we have experience of last minute muddling along due to crazy last minute rules imposed by someone in power randomly, all of us.

@shewasrooting really? I bet private schools have dished out thousands on tax advisors to try and “understand”. Apparently some are already taking staff out of TPS because they are worried. Is that all just speculation? So these schools run by trustees need not at least try and plan ahead?
I mean I guess there was no point trying to plan ahead for Brexit either. That is why it ended up being such a mess. Because of the uncertainty and people running around like headless chickens and nobody really in charge.

indeed

but that is life generally before a general election.

how can you “understand” something
that is all just speculation at this point

you ca speculate about various “somethings” and what the detail may be and the consequent implications but you can’t “understand” something that doesn’t exist

A. wait and see. All just rather pointless speculation until then. The devil is in the detail which will come in due time 🤷‍♀️

Yes, but you see the trustees at the local music conservatoire are a bit worried. Whether they need to pay some tax advisor and at what point etc. And how much notice will they be given if it is meant to go in the first budget?