If VAT is added on Private School Fees, then it will be added onto University fees as well

You said you did not have a “privileged background”

You said you had a “working class background”

You said you went to private boarding school for sixth form as your parents got jobs abroad

I would never ever pretend to be working class in a MN sense.

What I might have said is that I think the Labour Party should represent the working people from disabled youth with a part time job (provided by the State or a charity even if there is a cost associated) and pay some tax all the way to the CEOs earning millions and paying millions in taxes. They should be the party of those who value work and they should value work per se for all and paying taxes so everyone is properly in the system and feels part of it and has a say in it and shows up to vote.

We need to get the next generation involved in the election.

and i simply asked what you were doing by way of being involved in the election

and you have confirmed you never ever would because so thoroughly unappealing to you 🤷‍♀️

“but you do think the younger generation should do. Ok”

No I said they should run mock elections and “vote”. The devil is in the detail….

I vote, I just won’t campaign and sell hot air. Big difference!

quite simply your posting history is littered with detail that reveals a very jumbled experience and stance on the issue

(and a very peculiar definition of “working class”)

This. Stupid question.

intimidation tactics do not work on me.

oh don’t be silly! 😂

that is why I could never engage in real politics, too much hot air, lack of hard based evidence.

but you do think the younger generation should do. Ok

I am not going to be a coward and name change, intimidation tactics do not work on me.
Just cold hard fact, that is why I could never engage in real politics, too much hot air, lack of hard based evidence.
My Labour MP cannot explain this VAT policy and does not understand the difference between it and charitable status.
Besides, like I said I am more concerned with keeping our laws in line with EU laws and concepts.
But yes I have been accused of being a Tory in disguise on another thread who may have masked us a Labour member, then voted for Corbyn to make the Labour Party unelectable. That was the most amusing accusation so far yet on MN.

I seriously don’t think you need to feel
sorry for anybody earning £75k.

I’m staggered state six form colleges are paying VAT whilst private schools haven’t been. State kids are already disadvantaged in the UCAS process. The fact kids in big six form colleges have also had money taken away from their education that would help with UCAS, equipment and teachers whilst private schools have been exempt is just beyond belief.

yes but if you could you would have. So not an ethical barrier. Just financial.

Plus you attended private boarding school describe deriving your background as “working class” (go figure)

and you husband did for this entire schooling

I’m not sure what the issue is there either

So I chose outstanding state schools and appreciate the privilege to have that choice! Doesn’t stop me feeling sorry for those living in the regions who may suffer with this VAT policy on private schools because they earn eg 75k on a doctor’s salary and apparently that makes them rich?

What is so difficult to understand? That I can’t afford private school for 4 kids?

unbelievable @Araminta1003

you on the other thread

We didn’t choose boarding for our own DC because we have 4 and simply cannot justify the cost. However, if we qualified for bursaries we may have done it. Most of our DCs are also high energy and the ferrying them around can be a lot to fit in around our working lives.

i am talking about what you do in terms of getting involved with politicos

not your suggestions for how to get younger people more involved in politics

Your argument doesn't stand as they already charge VAT for sixth form colleges and don't currently charge VAT for private schools - which is a scandal.

The Music and Dance Scheme is government-funded. The schools would charge them VAT which would then go to output VAT on their return and pay it to HMRC. The government would then claim the input VAT it has paid on the school fees and recover it from HMRC. Totally pointless waste of time, because the net result would be nil in the VAT department, and the net amount of MDS awarded the same as it was before.

I do know a fair bit about about VAT returns, charity accounting, and funded places at full-time ballet schools, having had experience of all three at one time or another.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/pre-election-guidance-for-schools-and-multi-academy-trusts/pre-election-guidance-for-schools-and-multi-academy-trusts

Well @shewasrooting I raised it at DC’s secondary school to run mock elections because of voter apathy and our duty to get the young to vote, but they seem worried about being too partisan. So what do you suggest? Should the PTA be running it?!
The DFE should send out some more information and encouragement.

if you are going to suggest what young people should be doing

probably best to practise what you preach (and mumsnetting doesn’t count! 😂 )

Private schools are not funded by the state, and there is a state funded alternative. Universities are funded by the state, there are a small number of private universities (approximately 10 in the whole of the UK), yes there could well be an argument for these fees to be subject to VAT if private schools are. But certainly the vast majority of students at universities would not be subject to VAT on fees.

I think a better question is whether private tutoring would be VAT rated.

I think some people are just wedged to the idea that the Labour Party represents the encouragement of tertiary education, forgetting the fact that tertiary education is far cheaper for society and the individual if provided by employers. And so it is a legitimate question to ask whether VAT could be imposed on uni education as an actual deterrent when it is now so expensive for the individual and the country to provide and when there are so many poor people and people requiring help and an ageing population. Does tertiary education for many still represent fair value both for the individuals incurring the debt and society as a whole? So I could conceive of some academics on some courses being worried about this kind of thing, but I agree at this point, it seems far fetched.

Having university-educated doctors and mathematicians has certainly paid us back. Likewise graduates in other subjects may provide a return to society (and I'm not just counting financial returns). However this doesn't apply to every graduate - how many now work in roles where they could have learned what they need through on-the-job or vocational training?

I wasn’t referring to your comment, but about others earlier in the thread.