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New manager want me in the office. I wfh-help!

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Stressedgiraffe · 29/01/2024 13:30

We've changed management structure so my new manager wants me in the office. Ideally once a week but might settle for every month.
I've been there over 2 years. I wfh permanently but my contract says HQ.
I live 5 hours away always have done. They knew where I lived when I started. I go into the office about every 3/4 months for a few days .
Could I push for a change in location in my contract or do you think I'm screwed?

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6pence · 30/01/2024 22:31

Make sure you have another job before you hand your notice in. You are in the right here.

surreygirl1987 · 30/01/2024 22:27

I've found the original job spec and it's a remote position as well as emails before I started with HR confirming its remote with occasional visits to the office.

Yeh, but that's not the contract is it? Her contract states office.
Also HR did confirm in writing that she does need to go into the office occasionally, so... 🤷‍♀️

GoingToBeLessRubbishAtLife · 30/01/2024 22:19

surreygirl1987 · 30/01/2024 21:49

As others have said, it all depends if your contract is wfh.

It isn't. Her contract states she is to work in the office.

OP says here…..

“Stressedgiraffe · Yesterday 15:59
I've found the original job spec and it's a remote position as well as emails before I started with HR confirming its remote with occasional visits to the office.”

browneyes77 · 30/01/2024 22:19

IDontHateRainbows · 30/01/2024 20:35

Er... HR isn't there to get on side, they are there to protect the interests of those running the company.

And in the interests of the company, they’re unlikely to risk a constructive dismissal case, if a quick word with the Line Manager can shut it down.

IWouldRatherBeOnHoliday · 30/01/2024 22:17

OP I haven't read everyone's responses but have read your updates. Sorry your manager is being 'tricky', to put it politely!

I did want to say that a lot of people seem to be commenting based on what is stated in your written contract. A contract isn't just purely enforceable based on what's written down. If it is clear that both parties intended something different to what is written, then what is written is unlikely to be the 'reality' of the contract.

Hope ACAS can help further on this point but if you have evidence that you were hired to work remotely, have attended office only 2-3 times per year and claimed expenses for those visits, I would hope that demonstrates that from the outset you and employer both intended for you to be on a remote contract.

Good luck!

RobinStrike · 30/01/2024 22:16

I think the suggestions above to talk to an employment lawyer and ACAS are good. This new manager sounds like she is essentially redeploying you to a different post. If that's true, who is going to be doing the current niche post you were headhunted for? Surely it would not only be making you redundant and redeploying you but would leave them without anyone in this role as they couldn't make you redundant if the post still existed ?
She does sound as though she is determined to make her mark and you are the person she is choosing as an example. I do wonder whether HR / the rest of management would be in agreement though if they lose your niche skills due to her handling of wfh and projects. It surely has repercussions on the company if your current role is abolished? And in your current role as you said you are better suited to wfh as you can take meetings early in the morning and late due to other time zones.

AnitaJai · 30/01/2024 22:14

Hi, I would speak to the new manager and HR manager regarding this to find a suitable solution. Ask them why they want you to come in and explain the situation, I.e distance, money, travel etc. Also ask them if working remotely is impacting the work you are doing. Because if you’re more productive WFH it would only be beneficial for them.
all the best.

Tryingmybestadhd · 30/01/2024 22:02

Her job was recruited as wfh . And where did you read that utter stupidity that wfh is destroying the economy , the daily fail ?

surreygirl1987 · 30/01/2024 21:49

As others have said, it all depends if your contract is wfh.

It isn't. Her contract states she is to work in the office.

BlueGrey1 · 30/01/2024 21:49

She sounds like the type of woman that if she wants to manage someone out she would stop at nothing to do so….just to get her way and prove to herself that she can and that you are not going to get in her way of doing so

Prepare for this to get a bit nasty, she will probably start picking holes in your work etc

OrangeMarmaladeOnToast · 30/01/2024 21:47

Stressedgiraffe · 30/01/2024 21:07

Will call acas tomorrow. Also was venting to a colleague today and she's given me the name of an employer lawyer who'll talk to me for free.

Good. It's imperative you get clarification on your legal position before talking to your manager or HR.

Though your latest update is interesting and significant. For all the breathless comments about redundancy, liking it or lumping it etc, some people are just much scarce than others. I wondered if this might be the case, actually. So that does raise the issue of whether the organisation would be particularly pleased with your manager doing this.

Jeannie88 · 30/01/2024 21:47

As others have said, it all depends if your contract is wfh. Once a month to go into the office seems a dream! Think of the commute and time there as time and money saved for not having to go into the office you may well be Contracted for every day? X

Savagecabbage101 · 30/01/2024 21:46

easylikeasundaymorn · 30/01/2024 21:38

do you...not understand what the word 'remote' means? 😂

it's irrelevant whether the office is five minutes travel from her home, five hours or 2 days, remote=do not have to come to office!

i hate to point of the obvious but it clearly does matter in this case or else there wouldn’t be an issue…😂

LlynTegid · 30/01/2024 21:46

Not being allowed to drive for medical reasons (which are your own business and I am not asking you to detail) is a disability. Probably would get you a Freedom Pass if you lived in London, for example.

Good luck with the advice a lawyer or ACAS can provide.

Stressedgiraffe · 30/01/2024 21:42

One of the things that is really pissing me off is I was there for 3 days a fortnight ago for workshops. At expense £500 or there abouts.so it's not like I never go there. Training workshops etc I go !

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easylikeasundaymorn · 30/01/2024 21:38

Savagecabbage101 · 30/01/2024 21:24

An office 5 hours away is an office 5 hours away…remote or not my lovely!

do you...not understand what the word 'remote' means? 😂

it's irrelevant whether the office is five minutes travel from her home, five hours or 2 days, remote=do not have to come to office!

fleurneige · 30/01/2024 21:27

Stressedgiraffe · 29/01/2024 13:30

We've changed management structure so my new manager wants me in the office. Ideally once a week but might settle for every month.
I've been there over 2 years. I wfh permanently but my contract says HQ.
I live 5 hours away always have done. They knew where I lived when I started. I go into the office about every 3/4 months for a few days .
Could I push for a change in location in my contract or do you think I'm screwed?

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surreygirl1987 · 30/01/2024 21:26

No, her 4th post said this:

I've found the original job spec and it's a remote position as well as emails before I started with HR confirming its remote with occasional visits to the office.

Her contract said her job is in the office. HQ told her there would be occasional visits to the office. But the OP is expecting to NEVER go into the office...?

Savagecabbage101 · 30/01/2024 21:24

travelallthetime · 30/01/2024 20:49

have you been reading this with your eyes closed? She was headhunted and has it in writing she is in a remote wfh role. read the posts

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An office 5 hours away is an office 5 hours away…remote or not my lovely!

AllTheChaos · 30/01/2024 21:23

surreygirl1987 · 30/01/2024 21:16

gave her a contract stating remote working

I thought her contract said working in the office... has that changed since earlier in the thread?

In Op’s fourth post.

Oblomov23 · 30/01/2024 21:23

This so sad and so unfair. Constructive dismissal sounds great, but actually isn't, you get a small payout, and you still need to then get a new job. How is that a win?

It was wfh and now one manager decides it isn't. Even if the contract doesn't specify it is wfh, she's been doing it, after a certain number of weeks it becomes ….. suggests it is inferred, has become ‘custom and practice, after x time.

None of this helps Op, even if she gets a payout, she's still almost lost her job, because this new manager wants bums on seats.

AllTheChaos · 30/01/2024 21:23

fleurneige · 30/01/2024 21:17

Sorry but contract says HQ. So it is not an easy one.

In her fourth post, Op found the original job details and it said remote.

ilovegranny · 30/01/2024 21:23

Her contract says HQ.

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 30/01/2024 21:19

I don't think custom and practice would cancel out a clear written contractual term?

Edited as I didn't see your later posts. It's obviously a bit more complex than that. I'd talk to the employment lawyer. If you have house insurance with legal expenses insurance that might be worth looking at too?

fleurneige · 30/01/2024 21:17

travelallthetime · 30/01/2024 20:49

have you been reading this with your eyes closed? She was headhunted and has it in writing she is in a remote wfh role. read the posts

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Sorry but contract says HQ. So it is not an easy one.