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New manager want me in the office. I wfh-help!

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Stressedgiraffe · 29/01/2024 13:30

We've changed management structure so my new manager wants me in the office. Ideally once a week but might settle for every month.
I've been there over 2 years. I wfh permanently but my contract says HQ.
I live 5 hours away always have done. They knew where I lived when I started. I go into the office about every 3/4 months for a few days .
Could I push for a change in location in my contract or do you think I'm screwed?

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EsmeSusanOgg · 29/01/2024 15:38

Grapefruitsquash · 29/01/2024 15:20

My team and I all have WFH contracts - a new Manager wants us in the office once a week. As a concession the Manchester based colleagues can come every other week (to London). Once a month sounds reasonable to me.

In that scenario, you can claim/ the company should be paying for travel expenses.

RebelMoon · 29/01/2024 15:35

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 29/01/2024 14:57

You really think I want to be in the office to teach the younger inexperienced colleagues stuff? They don't need me. There are way more colleagues who can teach them what they need to know. On my salary too, which is usually reduced if you're hybrid, why should I come in more than say 2-3 days a week max?

And then, the worst of it, is when they start getting woke with you when they talk and other stuff, using words like 'triggering'. Please.

The only thing I would say about this is that when we were young whippersnappers we benefitted from older colleagues sharing experience etc with us. I'm not saying we should all be forced into the office to train the youngsters but we should probably at least acknowledge that we benefitted from that in a way that the current youngsters may not.

Hissy · 29/01/2024 15:33

hotpotlover · 29/01/2024 14:45

Same here - they gave me the standard contract to sign, but I was hired on a wfh basis. This is what the job advert said and what was communicated in the interview. I'm based in Birmingham and my company is in London.

They haven't asked me to come to the office/work hybrid, thank God.

If they do, I will have to resign - there's no way I could do that commute, especially having small children.

Ditto from me, the contract says London, the (During Covid) advert said WFH. When I considered offering more time to them, they told me I'd have to come to the office once a week at my own cost. So they lose, I'm not giving them anymore than my hours a week now.

OrangeMarmaladeOnToast · 29/01/2024 15:32

roses321 · 29/01/2024 15:22

To be honest I'm really sick of the entitlement around issues like this.

You chose to work for a company 5 hours away.
You chose to sign a contract that stated HQ on your contract.

How therefore is this "stupid" that they want to enforce this by asking you in once a month?

Why do people think they have entitlement to work from home when their contract says differently? The pandemic? The pandemic is over.

Your personal circumstances are not your employers problem to be quite honest with you, however what I would do is sit down with HR and your manager and explain your situation and ask them if they can help you - that's right, ask if they can help rather than expect that they should back down because "it' always been this way".

The business you work for pays for an office and all the amenities that come with it and if nobody is there then are you happy to be on the redundancy list so they can pay for it if nobody can be arsed to come in? They're being pretty reasonable with you by asking for once a month to be honest but just FYI they are paying you to do a job and they don't actually have to explain themselves to you. You could just get a new job if you are that bothered by it.

This is poor advice, and becomes actual invention by the last paragraph.

OP needs specialist advice from someone who actually understands the law on custom and practice and has seen all relevant paperwork. That's not you. She shouldn't try and decide on her approach until she's had this.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 29/01/2024 15:32

With a potential commute of 5 hours (!!) I'd have wanted WFH in the contract

Since for whatever reason you didn't get it, I'd either negotiate or start job hunting - and probably the second

supernova12 · 29/01/2024 15:24

roses321 · 29/01/2024 15:22

To be honest I'm really sick of the entitlement around issues like this.

You chose to work for a company 5 hours away.
You chose to sign a contract that stated HQ on your contract.

How therefore is this "stupid" that they want to enforce this by asking you in once a month?

Why do people think they have entitlement to work from home when their contract says differently? The pandemic? The pandemic is over.

Your personal circumstances are not your employers problem to be quite honest with you, however what I would do is sit down with HR and your manager and explain your situation and ask them if they can help you - that's right, ask if they can help rather than expect that they should back down because "it' always been this way".

The business you work for pays for an office and all the amenities that come with it and if nobody is there then are you happy to be on the redundancy list so they can pay for it if nobody can be arsed to come in? They're being pretty reasonable with you by asking for once a month to be honest but just FYI they are paying you to do a job and they don't actually have to explain themselves to you. You could just get a new job if you are that bothered by it.

So they didn't benefit from her labor and choose to employ her and agree for her to wfh for 5 years?

roses321 · 29/01/2024 15:24

catgirl1976 · 29/01/2024 15:22

Try to negotiate based on custom and practice and the fact you've had this arrangement for years with no issues and get your contract changed

Put in a flexible working request to WFH (which if agreed will result in a contract change)

If neither of those work I honestly think once a month is actually not too bad or you could leave and make sure you cite why so hopefully they will be a little more forward thiking on remote work going forward.

The company are perfectly forward thinking around remote work. It sounds like OP who thinks that she can work for a company and never see anyone face to face that isn't forward thinking.

catgirl1976 · 29/01/2024 15:22

Try to negotiate based on custom and practice and the fact you've had this arrangement for years with no issues and get your contract changed

Put in a flexible working request to WFH (which if agreed will result in a contract change)

If neither of those work I honestly think once a month is actually not too bad or you could leave and make sure you cite why so hopefully they will be a little more forward thiking on remote work going forward.

roses321 · 29/01/2024 15:22

To be honest I'm really sick of the entitlement around issues like this.

You chose to work for a company 5 hours away.
You chose to sign a contract that stated HQ on your contract.

How therefore is this "stupid" that they want to enforce this by asking you in once a month?

Why do people think they have entitlement to work from home when their contract says differently? The pandemic? The pandemic is over.

Your personal circumstances are not your employers problem to be quite honest with you, however what I would do is sit down with HR and your manager and explain your situation and ask them if they can help you - that's right, ask if they can help rather than expect that they should back down because "it' always been this way".

The business you work for pays for an office and all the amenities that come with it and if nobody is there then are you happy to be on the redundancy list so they can pay for it if nobody can be arsed to come in? They're being pretty reasonable with you by asking for once a month to be honest but just FYI they are paying you to do a job and they don't actually have to explain themselves to you. You could just get a new job if you are that bothered by it.

Sodndashitall · 29/01/2024 15:21

If your company offer the option of full.time working at home then put in an application for that but make the effort to go into the office at least once prior to show willing.
If they don't and you were being allowed to wfh due to Covid when you started then you may struggle. So I'd negotiate for the once a month and see how you can manage that.
If you are a carer you may be on a stronger footing. I'm no expert on that side

supernova12 · 29/01/2024 15:21

boomingaround · 29/01/2024 15:20

You can formally apply for a flexible working request (including wfh). There is information online about it. All workers are entitled to apply whatever their contract says. That's what I would do. In the meantime you'll have to go into the office once a month to keep them happy.

She can't drive due to medical so I would also state it's something to do with reasonable adjustment which hold more weight

Grapefruitsquash · 29/01/2024 15:20

My team and I all have WFH contracts - a new Manager wants us in the office once a week. As a concession the Manchester based colleagues can come every other week (to London). Once a month sounds reasonable to me.

boomingaround · 29/01/2024 15:20

You can formally apply for a flexible working request (including wfh). There is information online about it. All workers are entitled to apply whatever their contract says. That's what I would do. In the meantime you'll have to go into the office once a month to keep them happy.

C8H10N4O2 · 29/01/2024 15:19

Stressedgiraffe · 29/01/2024 15:12

Just been reading through the responses.
I'll try and find any emails stating it was wfh with a few 2/3 times a year in the office. Everyone who wfh in the uk has the company hq as their office location. Its a global ftse100 company so many many remote workers.
I applied as it was a remote position. My fault for not checking contract. I'll dig it out and see if it says anything.
I've always had my expenses paid for travelling to and from work.
I don't drive so reliant on trains, not allowed to drive medically.

Check to see if you have the original job description with "remote" in it along with the discussions. If you were recruited as a remote working and managing a distributed team, but head office was put down to save company costs (less insurance, checks and office space) then you have a stronger case than if you were recruited for office based and it was made clear that wfh was temporary.

How well placed are you to change jobs if it comes to it? Ideally you should be able to negotiate a compromise but keep the new job option open.

IME the current fad for "back to the office" is more from the upper middle layers of management rather than the top. Where companies are struggling a bit in the current economy the cry goes out that "something must be done" and back in the office is "something". If they don't have a constructive reason for wanting people physically co located its likely to be presenteeism as an alternative to addressing deeper business problems.

There are good cases for WFH, in the office and hybrid but if the management cannot articulate those reasons and show the metrics to prove them then its either poor management or a business poorly led.

supernova12 · 29/01/2024 15:18

How are people measuring that they are more "productive" at home? Unless it's piece work it's hard to tell.

TorroFerney · 29/01/2024 15:18

OrangeMarmaladeOnToast · 29/01/2024 14:06

After WFH for 2.5yrs I was asked to go back into the office on a hybrid pattern but having seen that the grass was greener, I early retired instead.

Heh.

But this is a cautionary tale for organisations, really. You can stop an employee from working remotely/hybrid. That doesn't mean you'll have an employee who's willing to do the office hours you want.

I think it's vital that OP gets advice from an employment solicitor, but also part of the equation here is essentially how much power she has. If she'd be hard to replace at the salary she's at, she potentially has more leeway than she would in a sector where there's lots of competition for jobs.

Agree with this, every one is replaceable but some are harder to replace than others and you don’t want the hassle.

WhatNoUsername · 29/01/2024 15:17

Channellingsophistication · 29/01/2024 14:18

@WhatNoUsername but it’s not the employers problem that the OP lives 5 hours away ? Everyone must surely expect to have to go into the office sometimes even if it’s a long way away… That’s the choice you make when you take the job isnt it?

The OP lived there when she was offered the job. Which she accepted because it was WFH. Of course an employer should factor that in.

supernova12 · 29/01/2024 15:16

Stressedgiraffe · 29/01/2024 15:12

Just been reading through the responses.
I'll try and find any emails stating it was wfh with a few 2/3 times a year in the office. Everyone who wfh in the uk has the company hq as their office location. Its a global ftse100 company so many many remote workers.
I applied as it was a remote position. My fault for not checking contract. I'll dig it out and see if it says anything.
I've always had my expenses paid for travelling to and from work.
I don't drive so reliant on trains, not allowed to drive medically.

So you are disabled?

There you go - reasonable adjustamebt which sounds like they've done.

Case closed

TorroFerney · 29/01/2024 15:16

Lavender14 · 29/01/2024 14:01

I can understand a new manager wanting to get to grips with her team, build relationships and see how people are doing etc and I can also see that being a harder task if everyone is wfh. But that being said, I don't think it's impossible. I'd ask for a meeting with her, explain your circumstances and ask if there's anything she's concerned about regarding your performance or if this is about building relationships etc in which case I'd suggest scheduling regular meetings online where you can update her on your work and she can address any concerns or queries she might have? Failing that, I'd request either a bonus or expenses paid to cover your travel, food and accommodation for the days you're going to have to be in the office. Work out the costs in advance so you know if a bonus will cover this or not.

In the meantime I'd join a union and send them a copy of your contract so they can advise and represent you if it comes to that.

Ultimately I think if you join a workplace knowing you're contractually obliged to be in the office physically and you live too far away to commute, then you've left yourself in a tricky position. I think you need to renegotiate your contract but I'd want union representation for that.

Agree with having a conversation but please don’t ask for a bonus in order to get to your contracted place of work. That will really not go down well.

Hoolahooploop · 29/01/2024 15:16

I think once a month or once every two months sounds accommodating on their part

Patrickiscrazy · 29/01/2024 15:15

Tough.....

ohmygolli · 29/01/2024 15:15

ChedderGorgeous · 29/01/2024 13:35

UABU. If your contract says you don't wfh then they could ask you in every day and you couldn't say no. They have agreed to you coming in 1x a month- sounds ideal. I would snap up their offer.

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Agree with this.

horseyhorsey17 · 29/01/2024 15:13

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 29/01/2024 15:09

Follow Molly Johnson-Jones, Flexa on Linked In, she's an advocate for hybrid/wfh work, has her own company promoting this.

WFH is a perk in some degrees as you don't have to commute, but I am far more productive at home than I am at work.

I already do!

I don't see WFH as a perk - my company stands to make a load of money selling off their former office building as everyone is remote now. It's an interesting culture as there definitely are some slackers (and they're really bloody annoying) but they get carried by people (like me!) who work twice as hard to fill in the gaps. Remote working is certainly not without its challenges and we're not there in terms of defining what it looks like and how it should work - but the bums on seats days are definitely over. I really can't see the UK ever properly going back to that. The issue is really the companies that bought or leased big expensive HQs on long leases just before lockdown and now want something to show for that investment.

Stressedgiraffe · 29/01/2024 15:12

Just been reading through the responses.
I'll try and find any emails stating it was wfh with a few 2/3 times a year in the office. Everyone who wfh in the uk has the company hq as their office location. Its a global ftse100 company so many many remote workers.
I applied as it was a remote position. My fault for not checking contract. I'll dig it out and see if it says anything.
I've always had my expenses paid for travelling to and from work.
I don't drive so reliant on trains, not allowed to drive medically.

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