To open my window on the bus

Ah but OPs a teacher don’tcha know! Her job is the ONLY one that matters!

It doesn't seem to occur to OP that other people can be made ill by sitting in the cold. Other people's illness is clearly unimportant, and we're just silly.

My father has a severe lung condition where he cannot leave the house in the very cold weather, yes he has ended up in hospital with it. This is an immediate thing not "picking up an infection he could have got anywhere but is blaming the bus" but actually being taken in an ambulance straight away.

REAL consequences not some made up "this is what I think is to blame" bullshit.

As a result, I am now his carer and drive him everywhere because people like you think that your illness is worse than his. And you are asking when people became so self centred? The irony!!

My father has a severe lung condition where he cannot leave the house in the very cold weather, yes he has ended up in hospital with it. This is an immediate thing not "picking up an infection he could have got anywhere but is blaming the bus" but actually being taken in an ambulance straight away.

REAL consequences not some made up "this is what I think is to blame" bullshit.

As a result, I am now his carer and drive him everywhere because people like you think that your illness is worse than his. And you are asking when people became so self centred? The irony!!

Well, there are quite a few pages I have not caught up on, but the vote at the front says it all really 60/40. This is pretty much what it is on the bus - about 40% of people want to sit by an open window, and about 60% seem to want every window on the bus tight shut.

Never mind that people could die of covid or flu or chest infections if the windows are shut, but suffer no more than temporary discomfort if the windows are open.

And no, don't try and invent some convoluted scenario in which someone is going to have their life put at risk by the windows being open.

This very strongly illustrates the sheer selfishness among much of the population. "I will put your life at risk to save myself from temporary discomfort" - and no doubt these people are the first to complain if their child does not have a teacher, or their parent does not have health care.

If I sound angry, it is because I am angry. How did we end up with such a self centred, self absorbed selfish population?

Tomorrow the battle will start all over again. I get more and more assertive all the time. I see so many other people over ruled and bullied when they are just trying to get to their place of work safely. I originally was quite meek and mild and backed down and even got of the bus quite regularly. Not now. If I don't stand up for myself and everyone else like me on the bus, then the city really will end up back to sending students home because there are no teacher, and sending elderly people home because there are no carers.

This forum is full of people describing the horrendous affects of the current viruses and bacteria going round. Weeks and months of incapacity in many cases, and multiple hospital admissions. Yet people don't want to take basic hygiene precautions - fine, get ill, whether you are immunocompromised or not, you don't want these germs, but go ahead and get them - just don't force everyone around you to take that risk too, just because you don't want a draught around your neck

No one is getting hay fever in January

Same here. I have mentioned this to op but they have chosen to ignore this!! One rule for them one rule for the rest of us it seems.

I'm asthmatic and my kids are asthmatic. Luckily their school doesn't have any policy about having windows open all day as there are plenty of times when they need to be kept warm. Otherwise they'd have to be kept home and unable to access their education.
I don't get the bus, fortunately for me, but a cold draught would set off my asthma and I could quite easily cough until I vomit or worse. I've ended up hospitalised multiple times with asthma attacks.
According to OP it's just a preference though.

Oof OP.

Personally, I prefer open windows but your attitude absolutely stinks.

Firstly, given that you're apparently all masked up on the bus and schools are absolute germ pits at the best of times, the chances are that you're getting ill from where you work, and not from the closed windows on the bus.

Secondly, you do know there are other jobs that are just as valuable as teachers, right? And people doing those jobs may have serious health conditions which are exacerbated by the cold - even putting them in hospital, just like you.

@catelynjane listed a whole heap of serious medical conditions such as Multiple Sclerosis and arthritis which you dismissed as "not genuine". I am honestly speechless about how callous you have been.

COPD is another one to add to the list - the cold is a known trigger and yes, could put someone in hospital. Funnily enough, there are also immunocompromised individuals whose condition is made worse by the cold too.

Have a google and you'll find a very long list of medical conditions that are made worse by the cold, leaving people with extended periods of extreme pain, immobility, or hospital stays.

I have complete sympathy with wanting the windows open. I struggle with closed windows for a variety of reasons. But I'm not so selfish that I think my job, my wishes, and my health automatically trumps that of everyone around me.

I also think it's deeply ironic that you're complaining that no one cares about your health while you are displaying a shocking lack of care about the health of others, which may be equally as bad or even - gasp - worse than yours.

Why does your health condition trump others that are made worse by the cold?

If people get too cold, they can wear layers. If people get too hot, you can't exactly cavort around naked.

So the ones who want the windows open win.