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To open my window on the bus

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notknowledgeable · 28/01/2024 12:17

It seems to be a mission for some people to fight to have all the windows on the bus closed, for all of every journey? Why? Before covid this wasn't an issue - now it seems people have a point to make.

I get there can be a chilly draught, but just put your coat on, or put your hood up?

I am immunocompromised, and wear a mask and open the window on my way to and from work. Every single time I get ill, ( currently a couple of times a month) my classes are left with non specialist agency staff. I take all the precautions I reasonably can to keep from catching anything, but this constant battle on the bus every working day is really wearing my down.

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notknowledgeable · 28/01/2024 17:48

User1775 · 28/01/2024 17:02

Huge cultural differences at play. Chinese, Russian and Italian friends all genuinely believe that being cold or a draft makes you seriously ill. Even drinking cold water is frowned upon by Chinese friends.

not educated chinese, Russians or Italians! We are talking about scientific facts, not "culture"

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catelynjane · 28/01/2024 17:47

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Ah but according to OP, all other medical conditions aren't genuine and won't impact anyone Wink

Newgreendress · 28/01/2024 17:47

lieselotte · 28/01/2024 17:40

If people get too cold, they can wear layers. If people get too hot, you can't exactly cavort around naked.

So the ones who want the windows open win.

They don't win unless they are stripped down to the T-shirts first

catelynjane · 28/01/2024 17:46

notknowledgeable · 28/01/2024 17:43

Because nobody as offered any equally valid reason for their preference of having the windows closed - they are just saying they are uncomfortable, that is all.

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I did. I listed a whole load of medical conditions that can be made worse by the cold, but you told me they weren't genuine😂

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notknowledgeable · 28/01/2024 17:46

Allfur · 28/01/2024 16:57

Could you cycle op?

I do when I am well, but I am not well enough right now. I will when I am better, but it will take a while, a few years, probably.

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catelynjane · 28/01/2024 17:44

lieselotte · 28/01/2024 17:40

If people get too cold, they can wear layers. If people get too hot, you can't exactly cavort around naked.

So the ones who want the windows open win.

Except it's not just about feeling cold.

There are loads of conditions that can be made worse by cold air, but according to OP, they're not genuine and won't have any impact on any teachers so they don't matter Hmm

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notknowledgeable · 28/01/2024 17:43

Roundtoedshoes · 28/01/2024 16:45

60% YABU but OP won’t concede or even consider people are different (and most people who have said they don’t like the windows open have been shot down for expressing any (equally) valid reasons for their preference).

Because nobody as offered any equally valid reason for their preference of having the windows closed - they are just saying they are uncomfortable, that is all.

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usedtobeasizeten · 28/01/2024 17:43

CHEESEY13 · 28/01/2024 13:05

Some people have an almost paranoid aversion to fresh air. They seem quite content to occupy a non-ventilated space, coughing or sneezing without covering their mouth/nose, absolutely oblivious to a stuffy, rank atmosphere. Vile.

I don’t mind fresh air…I hate sitting in a draught though.

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LividBreeze · 28/01/2024 17:43

This thread is making me feel clammy.

Open the windows, you dirty buggers.

SnapdragonToadflax · 28/01/2024 17:42

I always open all the windows I can reach. The heating is always on, buses aren't usually cold.

Jovacknockowitch · 28/01/2024 17:41

lieselotte · 28/01/2024 17:40

If people get too cold, they can wear layers. If people get too hot, you can't exactly cavort around naked.

So the ones who want the windows open win.

No one is going to get too hot on a bus in January. Also as a PP mentioned, if it is hot outside and the bus has aircon, opening the windows actually stops the aircon cooling the bus.

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notknowledgeable · 28/01/2024 17:41

hummmmm · 28/01/2024 15:58

OP I'm with you. This thread is an excellent illustration of a number of things.

The minimising by authorities has made people dismissive and uncaring about others' health. Oh you might get ill? Not my problem.

Research into aerosol transmission is essentially buried. Note all the comments you see everywhere about how masks don't work and opening a window won't help stop you catching anything.

The appreciation of keyworkers who did so much during lockdowns, also buried.

It's a barely acknowledged damage that I've noticed from COVID. The complete removal of any empathy from so much of the general public is so sad.

Yes, some of the attitudes on here demonstrate exactly what the problem is. So many people think their comfort is more important than the health and safety of others.

One woman last week said she felt cold because she had just washed her hair - that was her reasons for feeling justified in putting the rest of us at risk.

One man in his 30s was so abusive I reported him to the police - he claimed to be a soldier!

I reread these posts some of the people on here genuinely don't seem to be able to see that being a bit uncomfortable simply does not compare with putting people's health in danger. - People really are that entitled!

I was off sick for over a year a while back - and in that whole time, not for a single day did my classes get a specialist teacher. There is no one available to do the job.

I bet the same people who would complain that not liking the cold draught on the bus is a good enough reason to put other people's welfare at risk, complain loud and long when their children don't have a teacher - or when there are no healthcare staff available ( there are HCPs getting the same bus as me who fight on the same side as me in the daily windows battle)

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Pinkocsb · 28/01/2024 17:41

I hate fresh air and draughts, but I'm with you OP. I always prefer open windows on buses, especially since covid.

lieselotte · 28/01/2024 17:40

If people get too cold, they can wear layers. If people get too hot, you can't exactly cavort around naked.

So the ones who want the windows open win.

GintyMcGinty · 28/01/2024 17:39

It depends.

In London on the tube a good draft is a godsend.

In my Baltic freezing part of Scotland keep the bloody windows closed.

hopscotcher · 28/01/2024 17:39

I'd hate it if someone opened the window on a bus in the winter, unless they'd checked or explained first. I'd probably forget about Covid, so wouldn't be wanting it shut to make a point, just because of how cold I was. I do see your point of view though.

Newgreendress · 28/01/2024 17:38

OP. what was the point opening this tread, since you are not listening to the others who have answered all you questions on the OP and you are still forcing your opinion on the 60% of posters?

I guess you are not that worn down by these daily battles after all.

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notknowledgeable · 28/01/2024 17:32

Mybusyday · 28/01/2024 15:50

Exactly this - opening a window makes my condition worse!

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Is it ging to leave your students without a teacher? is it going to put you in hospital? Is it ging to threaten your life? ( I dont think I am going to lose my life from a pathogen on the bus, but certainly other people on the bus might, I am not the only one at risk, and wanting windows open)

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Whinge · 28/01/2024 17:32

Im not talking about colds, I am talking about being ill. I have been hopitalised twice in the last two months.

I'm sorry to hear you've been unwell. But it seems strange to fixate on the bus windows being closed when you spend your days surrounded by pupils. Despite the distancing and open windows it's much more likely your illnesses are from the school environment.

Clafoutie · 28/01/2024 17:30

User1775 · 28/01/2024 17:02

Huge cultural differences at play. Chinese, Russian and Italian friends all genuinely believe that being cold or a draft makes you seriously ill. Even drinking cold water is frowned upon by Chinese friends.

It is such a ridiculous fallacy. Viruses and bacteria can make you ill. Being very cold, or sitting in a cold draft might lower your immunity, but it cannot in itself make you ill.

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notknowledgeable · 28/01/2024 17:30

BashfulClam · 28/01/2024 16:13

I have severe hayfever and when people open windows and the pollen comes flying in they get a nice dose of my sneezes! Even medicated I sneeze a lot in pollen season.

No one is getting hay fever in January

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Jovacknockowitch · 28/01/2024 17:29

TheSlantedOwl · 28/01/2024 12:26

Unless it’s raining hard or freezing then it’s fine to open the windows.

Which it has been for at least the last 2 months at least.