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Landlords, would you consider this if your tenants asked?

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DesperateTenant · 26/01/2024 03:47

I have rented my current home for 13 years. I am a good tenant, I keep the house in excellent shape and care for it as if it was my own. I have never asked for anything, rent is always paid on time.

Landlord has decided to sell and I only discovered this when someone knocked on my door wanting a sneaky viewing. They showed me the listing on Rightmove, complete with pictures I was completely unaware were taken.

I am shocked and desperate not to move. I came from nothing and I've made a life for me and my children here. We have a real community around us. I'm at the point where I'll be able to buy locally within 6 months and staying in the area is so important to me.

I completely understand that legally I am not entitled to be told when the LL is selling and have no rights to ask for anything from the LL and I don't know their personal situation.

But, for the landlords out there, in these circumstances if your long term tenant asked if you would consider waiting 6 months and offered to pay more rent (currently pay £850, would offer £1150) would you?

Would it be completely unreasonable for me to ask this?

In 6 months I'd have enough to buy the house I'm in and would do so in a heartbeat.

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fliptopbin · 05/02/2024 13:14

One red flag that stands out here is that if the landlord is comfortable with instructing the gas engineer to sign off on an unsafe fire, he is obviously not that concerned about maintenance. I would be concerned that there are other major problems lurking that you are not aware of.
I know you already living there, but I would get full survey and get the electrics and gas looked at independently before you consider buying.

T1Dmama · 05/02/2024 13:12

Surely your letting agent has to pass along your details at your request?
Maybe file a complaint that a) they’ve gone in and taken photos without your permission/notice
and b) won’t contact the landlord on your behalf.

maybe call again and not say what it is in regards to but say it’s urgent that the landlord calls you… if he sells to you directly you can cut out the estate agent and therefore cutout fees making it cheaper…. Also he has a hassle free sale with no forward or back dates, no hassle of giving you notice of viewings or having to ask you to be out or to tidy up etc.
maybe the estate agent itself will forward your details to the landlord? Just don’t give them your name

BestDIL · 05/02/2024 13:06

DesperateTenant · 05/02/2024 13:03

So I have managed to raise enough of a deposit and got a mortgage agreement that would allow me to offer 15k under asking price.

The letting agent refused to pass along my info and my request that my LL contact me directly.

What's the best way to get in touch with him? Should I even try?

Should I just go through the estate agent dealing with the sale (different company to letting agent)?

No, go direct to your LL. He will appreciate that. He shouldn't have to pay their fees if you go direct and you can use that as leverage.

Silvers11 · 05/02/2024 13:05

Yes - go through the Estate Agent

DesperateTenant · 05/02/2024 13:03

So I have managed to raise enough of a deposit and got a mortgage agreement that would allow me to offer 15k under asking price.

The letting agent refused to pass along my info and my request that my LL contact me directly.

What's the best way to get in touch with him? Should I even try?

Should I just go through the estate agent dealing with the sale (different company to letting agent)?

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Motnight · 02/02/2024 18:42

Gummybear23 · 02/02/2024 07:35

Would u be able to buy the house you are renting?

Maybe the landlord would consider this.

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This is literally what the Op asked in her first post....

Gummybear23 · 02/02/2024 07:35

Would u be able to buy the house you are renting?

Maybe the landlord would consider this.

Nonewclothes2024 · 02/02/2024 07:13

@DesperateTenant has the LL or landlord been in touch ?

Madamum18 · 29/01/2024 18:41

Ask. If the LLsays No then find out your rights

LindorDoubleChoc · 29/01/2024 18:12

You wrote a letter for your son and his girlfriend? Are they not adults?

PaulCostinRIP · 29/01/2024 18:08

When my son and his girlfriend were renting a house and the landlord wanted to sell, I wrote a letter for them to sign and give to the estate agent to inform them that no viewings would be allowed which would spoil their quiet enjoyment of the property and they would have to wait until they had moved out which they did during the correct notice period.

They didn't want viewings because they had two indoor cats and couldn't trust an estate agent and viewers alone with the cats not go accidentally let them out.

The estate agent and the landlord were fine about this.

Lanclassy · 29/01/2024 18:04

I'd be in alot of trouble if I just starting letting myself into tenants properties to show estate agents around ect. The only time I could let myself in would be in an emergency, otherwise I give written and text plus email notice of any intended visits and it's to suit the tenant. Showing an agent round is not acceptable without any notice, and most certainly entering the property.

SpringViolet · 29/01/2024 11:28

Estate agent would have had to enter property to conduct a valuation before marketing it which they must have done without informing or giving notice to OP (she could have refused entry anyway, it’s not an emergency and she hasn’t been given notice to vacate).

I don’t think you can value a house from outside as condition inside would need to be taken into account and no one is going to market a property without an up to date valuation surely , especially as the OP has been there for 13 years and one hasn’t been done since then!

HirplesWithHaggis · 29/01/2024 01:36

LilySLE · 28/01/2024 18:44

@HirplesWithHaggis Are you thinking of a landlord’s implied covenant for “quiet enjoyment”, which means they will not interrupt the tenant’s possession of the property…? If so then this is subject to any express reservations in the tenancy agreement. Which (alongside a right to enter to carry out repairs etc) may include a right to conduct viewings. I certainly agree that if the tenancy agreement is silent on viewings then the landlord will not have the right to do it. But if the tenancy agreement permits entry for this purpose then that will prevail, providing that it does not amount to a breach of the covenant for quiet enjoyment - but this is unlikely unless the landlord is showing prospective buyers around all day every day.

Landlord has already breached the covenant by allowing estate agents in to take photos, without asking (or even telling) the tenant.

T1Dmama · 28/01/2024 18:58

I wouldn’t offer more rent,

buying a house usually takes around 6 months so could you not just put in an offer and state you’ll be able to buy in 6
months.
(sorry haven’t read all your comments, but without paying higher rent you’ll probably be able to buy sooner

LilySLE · 28/01/2024 18:44

@HirplesWithHaggis Are you thinking of a landlord’s implied covenant for “quiet enjoyment”, which means they will not interrupt the tenant’s possession of the property…? If so then this is subject to any express reservations in the tenancy agreement. Which (alongside a right to enter to carry out repairs etc) may include a right to conduct viewings. I certainly agree that if the tenancy agreement is silent on viewings then the landlord will not have the right to do it. But if the tenancy agreement permits entry for this purpose then that will prevail, providing that it does not amount to a breach of the covenant for quiet enjoyment - but this is unlikely unless the landlord is showing prospective buyers around all day every day.

DawnStoryteller · 28/01/2024 18:07

We had to sell our rental property. We gave first refusal to our tenant and were gutted when he couldn’t afford to buy it. It’s also the simplest way forward if you can make it work.

HirplesWithHaggis · 28/01/2024 17:16

LilySLE · 28/01/2024 09:02

@HirplesWithHaggis Which law…? I’m a property lawyer 🤔

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It's a Covenant, under common law.

egowise · 28/01/2024 17:01

Apologies, wrong thread

egowise · 28/01/2024 17:00

I tried reverse, but nothing!

Try reverse search using tineye or similar

nosleepforme · 28/01/2024 13:43

If they’ve entered your house, that’s breaking in! Why is that okay? I’d put an alarm or alert system in.
that’s not okay.
and yes, you absolutely do put back the old carpet and take all your belongings unless you’re selling them and they want to buy it off you. Why would you give flooring and shed and appliances away for free?

Mumof3confused · 28/01/2024 12:06
  1. LL has no rights to access the house without notifying you. I would contact citizens advice
  2. needs to issue you with section 21
  3. I would make viewings very difficult until LL has dealt with 1
  4. giving you notice with the potential risk of sale falling through and leaving the house empty is expensive. The LL would be an idiot for not offering you to buy it
  5. you can agree the price now and even agree to exchange contracts with a completion date in the future, ie 6m from now. The benefit for the LL would be no estate agent Selling fees and no rent-free periods
  6. do NOT offer to pay him more rent!!
CorBlimeyGuvna · 28/01/2024 11:21

MysteriousInspector · 28/01/2024 01:44

@DesperateTenant This jumped out at me from one of your posts.

I do have an up to date gas safety certificate but we are always told the fire is never to be used because it is unsafe. At the last check the gas engineer told us he didn't feel comfortable signing off on it but was under instructions to do so.

A friend of mine had 2 lodgers. He always made sure the gas was safe, and had an up to date certificate. He would have done so anyway, however he knew someone further down the road whose tenant died from carbon monoxide poisoning. And yet the gas engineer you had signed off an unsafe fire because he had been instructed to do so?

I know, it’s unbelievable isn’t it

Lanclassy · 28/01/2024 10:25

We have a few properties. Firstly the landlord has breached a few things, presumably you have a tenancy agreement. Entering your property without prior notice, or even you there is absolutely shocking. Also you need to ask if he's selling the property with you the tenant in situ. He will have to serve you a section 21 to remove you if not, and there is also alot of things that's need to be valid for them aswell. You have to have gas checks and so on upto date, your deposit must of been protected. If he's selling up with tenant in situ then all these things need to be valid to, and a new tenancy would be issued.

It's definitely worth asking about buying the house as quite frankly it's an absolute headache very timely and can be expensive if it ends up with court action to evict people nowadays. A section 21 isn't a move out date either, it's simply a request for a property back, if the tenant ( and has full rights not to move out on the expiry date) waits, landlord has to go to court for a possession order.

No need to offer any extra money, as you will be saving the landlord money! Selling a house with a tenant in situ decreases the market and price to

I'd probably want some kind of evidence to show your financal position before I removed from the market. The fact he's not mentioned anything to you is very strange and I can only presume he's selling with tenant in situ.

I'd definitely get some legal advice about your position and the landlords legal duties as it's a minefield but you need to protect yourself to if things turn messy. You sound like you have been a more then ideal tenant !!

Best of luck

Nightjar33 · 28/01/2024 09:37

It’s a shame your landlord couldn’t discuss with you earlier than have someone arrive at the door especially after renting for so long.
We have 3 rental properties and would never treat anyone like that, we thought of selling one, had a meeting with our tenant to discuss her buying. She couldn’t afford to, so we won’t sell because like you she’s a loyal tenant.
Ask for a meeting to discuss, good luck.

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