To be sick of vapes everywhere

They're vile. So sickly sweet. I hate smoking/vaping because you get forced to breathe in the second hand poison of inconsiderate people.

Just don’t sell them to kids like alcohol isn’t sold to kids. Simple

This morning a car was advertising vapes online outside my child's secondary school. Literally the car was wrapped in the advert

Back in the day there were. Tobacconists.
ps I love vaping

I'd imagine that there is far more air pollution/emission coming from the millions of vehicles on our roads all day every day.

Until those who oppose vaping (without much to back it up mind), walk and cycle everywhere exclusively, there isn't much point in rabid (often unfounded) criticism of vape emissions.

Think about it. I do agree with three things though - ban fruit flavours -ban to children- ban disposables. However as a pp said, enforcement is a key factor. Talk is cheap.

I am a non vaper/smoker. Vaping doesn't bother me in the least. I am tolerant, I drive a big car so cannot be two faced about it.

Incidentally, and I know this is off-topic but it is interesting (I think)…the explosion in gambling and advertising of gambling was caused by an act passed in 2005 and in force from 2007. The reason the then government relaxed gambling was because tobacco tax income was falling and they needed another source of money for the treasury: gambling tax.

The catastrophe of gambling addiction has soared since. Gambling addicts can bankrupt themselves and their families in hours or minutes, particularly with casino games. It’s a very, very dangerous habit for some.

I hate smoking and am happy for ever more restrictions on it. But be careful how you do it, whether it’s for the public purse or for acting against alternatives to smoking, like vaping.

(And to be fair to the governments post-2010, they’ve done the rowing back on gambling relaxation, unlike Blair who caused the problem.)

how many adults choose gummy bear flavour?

Quite a lot! When smokers switch they tend to want something that doesn't taste of fags in order to distance themselves from the habit. Also none of the tobacco flavours actually taste of fags because that would involve burning things.

PHE says that among adult vapers (who are overwhelmingly current or former smokers):

Fruit (35.3%), menthol/mint (22.5%) and tobacco (20.9%) remained the most popular flavours

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nicotine-vaping-in-england-2022-evidence-update/nicotine-vaping-in-england-2022-evidence-update-summary

There have always been a variety of fruit, sweet and dessert flavours for as long as vaping has existed. It's only since disposables hit the market that we have seen a huge rise in youth vaping.

Do you have similar concerns about nicotine gum being sold in nice flavours?

I’m with you OP they are disgusting and just another indicator of how rude and entitled people have become.

To me it’s as bad as someone breathing heavily into my face, all the germs and crap I assume is attached to the vapour, so no thanks keep your lung filth to yourself!

If you have been on previous vape threads with me then you will know you are spreading misinformation.

This is dangerous because it discourages smokers from making the switch and can even cause ex-smoking vapers to return to cigarettes. This is something that PHE has warned about in each of their yearly evidence reviews. This is from the most recent:

In 2021, only 34% of adults who smoked accurately believed that vaping was less harmful than smoking. Only 11% of adults who smoked knew that none or a small amount of the risks of smoking were due to nicotine. Inaccurate perceptions need to be addressed.

The evidence reviewed also suggests that:

• people’s perceptions about vaping harms can influence their subsequent vaping and smoking behaviour
• communicating accurate information about the relative harms of vaping can help to correct misperceptions of vaping, particularly among adults

Also you are causing a lot of unnecessary worry for parents whose teens have started vaping. You are telling them that their child has a high likelihood of ending up in hospital with a severe respiratory illness and that is not true.

Underage vaping absolutely needs to be tackled. The laws are already there but unless trading standards is funded properly we can change the law to be as draconian as you like but there will be no effective enforcement.

I'm guessing it might've sounded more credible if you'd said 'two' in the first place rather than 'multiple'?

The word multiple sounded like you were heavily implying more than two.

I mean you wouldn't say you have 'multiple' arms or 'multiple' legs would you?

I’m not talking about stopping adults vaping. It’s the extreme marketing to children and young people which is getting them hooked from an early age. The vape companies are fully to blame and need to be held accountable

That’s not what most of your OP says.

You seem to be shifting around a lot.

Well if it stops them taking up smoking..

Sounds like their asthma isn't well controlled at all then. Extremely rare to be hospitalised just for vaping. There's always an underlying reason or illness. Top many anti vaping scaremongering stories in the media 🙄

See @PencilsInSpace links upthread.

Water is a chemical. All substances in chemistry are chemicals. The - no doubt nutritious - food you give your child(ren) is composed of chemicals.

Whether chemicals are harmful to life or not, and if so in what amounts and concentrations, is another matter.

The popcorn lung effect has been shot down already. And if adults want to satisfy a nicotine addiction that’s for them. Nicotine may be addictive but it’s not harmful:

https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-cancer/smoking-and-cancer/is-vaping-harmful#:~:text=Does%20nicotine%20cause%20cancer%3F,stop%20smoking%20for%20many%20years.

(I assume you’ll take the Cancer Research Campaign’s word for it.)

See @PencilsInSpace post upthread.

I vape but only because it stops me smoking cigarettes. After 30+years of smoking, I switched to vapes. I use a vape pen and purchase liquid from a reputable supplier. I do sometimes vape indoors but not around other people.

The type of vapes that produce plumes of smoke are horrendous and I have been caught in some of the clouds. Its horrible!

The disposable vapes that you see littered around the streets are definitely aimed at youngsters. Both my neice and nephew who have never smoked both vape the disposable ones. My neice is a trainee nurse so you'd think she would know better.

I am not sure that making them prescription only will help now - its too late. People will just buy them on the black market and they will be unregulated and much more dangerous.

Have not read the thread.

I don't think smokers are awear how antisocial smoking is also smoking weed. At bus stops smoking on the streets the smell is gross and end up breathing it in. It's disgusting. I think because their outside they think its ok . I would rather a vape that a cigarette/joint .

Laws made by any government need to go through parliamentary process. That’s how it works. 🙄

But it’s not obvious what you actually want. Draconian rules about children - which are fair enough - isn’t going to stop adults vaping. If you’re appalled by clouds of vape and “vapes everywhere” you’ll have to ban vapes completely. But you say you don’t want that.

I can't stand vapes. Some are quite unobtrusive but others seem to produce a massive cloud of stench (I presume its supposed to look cool) which lingers for ages where others are going to walk through.
It smells terrible and I don't appreciate having to breathe in someone's used lung juice.

On them being marketed to children, there is a shop in the town I live in called "Toys and Vapes" where presumably kids can pick up a lovely dolly with their pocket money and a vape at the same time. Its covered in flashy lights to attract kids as well. Only thing missing is a guy saying "come and get your lollipops...".

Vapes are 95% better than cigarettes according to the NHS - all you are inhaling into your lungs is water vapour. They help so many people give up smoking which is a really good thing.

However, I'd ban disposable vapes and all the sweet flavours which are aimed at children.