To be sick of vapes everywhere

You so are a strange one

Apparently the only people who’ve ended up in hospital are those who have tampered with the vapes to customise them.

This is from NICE, explaining that their recommendations for the use of NRT in pregnant smokers is based in part on a 2020 Cochrane systematic review which found that:

The use of NRT in pregnancy was not found to increase the risk of adverse pregnancy or fetal outcomes including miscarriage, stillbirth, premature birth, birthweight, low birthweight, admissions to neonatal intensive care, caesarean section, congenital abnormalities, or neonatal death. One randomised placebo-controlled study found a higher rate of infant survival without developmental impairment at two years of age among the infants of those randomised to receive NRT.

https://cks.nice.org.uk/topics/smoking-cessation/management/pregnant-or-breastfeeding/

(you'll find this in the first 'Basis for Recommendation' drop down box on the page).

There are indeed plenty of publications on the risks of nicotine to the foetus and sperm and they are generally extremely poor quality. For some reason US tobacco control has decided that nicotine is the enemy rather than lit tobacco and is engaged in widespread policy-based evidence making.

Looking at the Mayo Clinic article you posted:

Most electronic cigarettes (e-cigarettes) contain nicotine, which permanently damages a baby's developing brain and many other organs.

That's a remarkable claim for which they present no evidence. Giventhe widespread use of NRT in pregnancy before vapes were even invented, it's astonishing that there is not solid epidemiological data by now to back up their assertion. Unless it's simply not true, as the Cochrane review indicates.

But research suggests that pregnant women who vape believe that using e-cigarettes is less harmful than smoking cigarettes.

Yes, they correctly believe this!

Some also might use e-cigarettes during pregnancy because of the perception that the devices can help them quit or reduce cigarette smoking.

Again, this is true! The women are correct in their belief.

Absolutely we don't need a whole new generation addicted to nicotine who would never have considered smoking but the way to achieve that is not to post alarming misinformation that causes unnecessary worry to pregnant women who are trying to quit.

This is from America, different regulations there

They are disgusting things. I hate being enveloped in a cloud of foul smelling vapour when someone walks past me.

I actually boycott a local shop because they actively promote and target sales to children.

Makes me laugh actually that government says anyone born after 2009 will never smoke. Too late.

So far there has been a consultation and a new bill yet to be introduced that may or may not take meaningful action. Meantime a generation is hooked.

the government is in absolute denial about this

Hardly. They've just completed a consultation which you can read about here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/calls-for-evidence/youth-vaping-call-for-evidence/outcome/youth-vaping-call-for-evidence-analysis

That doesn’t sound good. I habe never ever had a vape directly in my face or all over me, as is happening to you on the regular. Very unfortunate indeed.

That's about terrible marketing, not health risks.

Of course they shouldn't be marketed to children. But hyperbole never helps. It didn't help with illegal drugs and it won't help with vaping.

I’m the same, well done on the 2 weeks. Saved a fortune already. Annoyingly though, I couldn’t just pick up a vape in Sainsburys as they were all stupid fruity flavours. I had to go to the local vape shop with dubious opening hours to buy some that actually taste like a cigarette. I’m saving my disposables to send them back for recycling.
I like the disposables for now as they are light like a cigarette, the permanent ones I’ve tried are too heavy for me for now. I’ll hopefully transition over to a permanent one soon.

You keep away from yoga, and presumably gyms, joggers and other people exercising, because you don’t like panting? Lordy.

And you’d die on what hill? That vaping is not breathing? That vapour annoys you? As has been said already, there is no evidence of risk from ‘passive vaping’. So you’d be dying on a hill of ‘I don’t like the smell’. (And if you did die on that hill, it wouldn’t be from the effects of others’ vapes.)

To borrow your own phrase you used (wrongly) about me, you are a..strange person.

I would add also that if you don't have their medical notes, you can't be sure that vaping was the sole cause for their hospital admittance.

it's nicotine, consumed in high quantities cos vapers, especially young vapers,
are sucking on them all day and tend not
to want the nicotine free ones:

amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/04/03/health/fda-ecigarette-seizures-investigation-bn/index.html

100% agree it is a gateway - my son and his friends vaped first and now have upgraded to strong cigarettes. Cost a fortune and we cut off money but they are all still smoking. I see countless children his age - 15/16- at it and the shops freely sell to them, np.

Just adding - the government is in absolute denial about this and the retail lobby pretends children are not being targeted and sold to, including with misleading info and outdated research.

can only assume you haven't watched it @Scampuss

amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/06/juul-teen-vaping-settlement-us-states

You sound a generally angry person. Live and let live. There are far worse vices than vaping. Just move out the way if you don’t like it but you’re coming across as someone that doesn’t like anything much

You say DD friends are all heavy vapers but that two ended up in hospital.
Does that mean that lots of her friends didn't?
I am not condoning young people vaping, I hate it, but I'd rather approach my own children with facts than with stories of "multiple people in recent years".

The funny thing is we seem to be the only country with a major problem with kids using them. Everywhere else they are regulated or prescription only. My brother is living in Australia and says hardly anyone young uses them (he was using one in the UK but gave up because they are not freely available) and young people don't seem to smoke instead.

Anything not purely anecdotal or based on debunked 'research' would be nice.

What exactly do you expect me to do? Ask DD’s friends for their medical notes to satisfy you?

I'm certain 2 people getting pneumonia, which is a secondary infection, miraculously from vaping will be in a research article somewhere.

Perhaps you need to re-watch as it was made clear that it was not standard vape liquids causing the problem. This was from people using cannabis based oils in vapes.

Most vapers are not vaping cannabis derivatives. Most vape liquids are a base of pharmaceutical grade glycerin and propylene glycol, with food grade flavours.

Yes because tobacco is also dangerous for growing foetuses. They are plenty of publications on the risks of nicotine to the foetus and sperm though. It is well known. They prescribe nicotine replacements and vapes as the lesser of two evils but it doesn't mean they need a whole new generation addicted to nicotine who would never have considered smoking.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/pregnancy-week-by-week/expert-answers/vaping-during-pregnancy/faq-20462062#:~:text=Using%20electronic%20cigarettes%20(vaping)%20during,be%20safe%20for%20your%20baby.