To be sick of vapes everywhere

Do you also feel so strongly about the incessant gluggers of water from plastic bottles

Yes I do actually. Just because other things are made of single use plastic, it doesn't mean we should add to it with yet more. You might have missed the push back against it we had before the pandemic response meant people stopped giving a shit.

I was in Spain a couple of weeks ago where people were trying with every tide to pick up plastic nurdles on the beach after a container ship lost some. It was a hopeless task, yet they were still doing it. Hours after fruitless hour, day after day picking up tiny pieces of plastic which are used to make things like single use fucking vapes.

If people want to kill themselves with actual cigarettes crack on I say. The fools pay for their cancer and other horrible diseases with the enormous tax they pay with every packet.

It’s rank. People assume they can just vape in your car or anywhere they wouldn’t normally smoke. I shouldn’t have to tell people not to vape in my car.
Claggy minging smelling like cheap deodorant filth.

I couldn’t careless tbh.

when you’ve been to the funeral of one person then it’s one person too many.

HTH.

There is loads of vaping in secondary schools. A couple of shops locally just got busted for under counter vapes. The ones that do over a certain amount of puff and with chemicals banned here. For only £4 get your doggy knock off vapes kids.

A new vape and sweet store just opened near my oldest secondary school they also sell bongs quite proudly.

We have just swapped fags for vapes with these teenagers who will under the new laws never be old enough to legally buy fags. Undercounter fags are now under counter vapes and everyone knows a place you can get one.

I'm asthmatic, well controlled but if I get caught up in a puff of vape swill I do feel it's effects. It's such a cloying smell, like cannabis it just feels like it sticks in my lungs. May be psychological but still, it's horrible.

At least smokers go, have their fag and 5 mins later they're done. Vapers are constantly suckling on the teat of their little bottle of liquid and its just absurd. Why does it need to be in their hands all the time?

I got the benefit of using vape to get off cigarettes, my IL were massive smokers, who then moved to vaping and eventually quit it all together. THAT should be how their used, not as a ridiculous comfort dummy subjecting all around you to that cloying smell.

Imposing your addiction on others is unreasonable and antisocial. Whether that is cigarettes, weed, vapes, or alcohol. As soon as your habit affects others wellbeing, you're being unreasonable..

Why, that's what they were there for
Nicotine replacement therapy, like patches or inhalers to give up smoking

They’re bloody childish too, I find it bizarre when actual adults use them.

It wasn’t my post, but I can’t see why it’s an ‘arsehole comment’. I think you’re being unpleasantly over-dramatic.

As for plastics, beaches are strewn with plastic bottles, packets, tops and lids. Disposable vapes are just one of millions of plastic items. Do you also feel so strongly about the incessant gluggers of water from plastic bottles, the people who really do look like babies with dummies and sippy cups? Or people who eat crisps? There are billions more plastic bottles and packets around than vapes.

How many people have died as a direct result of vaping over those who have died as a direct result of smoking.
Do you have any stats on this?

SUCH an arsehole comment!

YANBU OP. They are revolting and a single use plastic disaster. When we are all being encouraged to reduce our single plastic, when small businesses are doing their best to help, when volunteers spend their weekends on beaches clearing the fucking things up, it's outrageous that plastic vapes are legal.

I can't stand it either. All the younger people I work with are permantly outside with one shoved in their mouths ; agree with a pp who said they are treated like dummies!! I hate the smell! And they are all constantly ill with chest infections, bad throats etc. vile things

Yanbu, they’re absolutely rank.

Not sure why people who would never have smoked indoors, seem to think that vaping is somehow fine.

I am talking about a new generation of people hooked on nicotine as they believe vaping to be risk free

You don't need to worry about that because it's not happening. In fact ASH has found:

Since 2013 there has been a gradual fall in the number of young people who correctly identify vaping as being relatively less harmful than tobacco smoking. In 2013, 73% of young people correctly said that e-cigarettes were less harmful than smoking, falling to only a third (33%) in 2022. The proportion of young people incorrectly saying that e-cigarettes are more or equally harmful as tobacco cigarettes has grown from 13% in 2013 to more than half (54%) in 2023 (Figure 11). This includes nearly half (46%) of those who have tried vaping, so believing vaping is at least as harmful as smoking does not appear to be putting children off trying vaping.

https://ash.org.uk/uploads/Use-of-vapes-among-young-people-GB-2023-v2.pdf?v=1697209531

No - and I vape.

They're way more addictive, the disposable ones are an environmental disaster and need to be banned right frickin now and they shold definitely be banned for children and anyone selling them to kids should be fined extremely heavily.

I am addicted to mine and to be honest yeah they are a pain in the ass.

Not true.

a family friend’s daughter just buried her husband (aged 30) and heart attack brought on by vaping was the cause of death.

honestly I’d not thank you for a vape over a cigarette.

If you don't trust a Cochrane systematic review then I can't help you. They're widely considered the gold standard of health related evidence.

https://www.cochrane.org/about-us

You can follow the links from NICE to the Cochrane review and then look at the individual studies that Cochrane included if you like. Come back and let us know if you find any that are funded by Big Gum.

I didn't say the tobacco industry is pumping out dubious research (I mean they are, but we are wise to it and the UK is signed up to WHO's FCTC which basically means we ignore anything they say). I said the US tobacco control industry is pumping out dodgy research.

We have our own tobacco control industry in the UK made up of government departments as well as orgs such as ASH. I am saying that in the UK our tobacco control orgs and policies are much better grounded in solid evidence than their US counterparts.

Why should we believe that the studies showing NRT is safe in pregnancy are not similarly funded by the NRT industry if you are saying it is the tobacco industry is pumping dubious articles about nicotine into circulation. The same could be true for the links in the nice webpage. If you are pregnant and smoke I am not denying it is considerably safer to vape and you should switch. I am talking about a new generation of people hooked on nicotine as they believe vaping to be risk free when it is not the case and they would be better off not smoking or vaping. Asides from all that it is an addiction and addictions are generally not good for us.

Yeah they're really not. We've had a lot of comms from school about illegal vapes.

Illegal vapes are not a red herring. From the Chartered Trading Standards Institute:

Vaping has been a key area of focus for CTSI this year, trying to navigate the challenges presented to Trading Standards teams nationally with non-compliant vapes flooding the UK market and the surge of underage sales. We have had some success in our efforts to bring some necessary attention to the issues surrounding vaping and have continued to call for more resources for Trading Standards and tougher regulations.

CTSI fully recognises that Trading Standards teams across the UK have been working tirelessly to combat the tidal wave of non-compliant vapes being sold by retailers and responding to the growing issue of underage sales.

https://www.tradingstandards.uk/news-policy-campaigns/vaping-resource-hub/

Why would you make vapes only available in pharmacies when you can buy actual deadly cigarettes in any corner shop? Why make the safer alternative more difficult to buy than tobacco?

And shopkeepers simply aren't enforcing age restrictions and clearly don't fear any consequences.

Which is exactly why there needs to be a focus on trading standards. That's who does the raids and imposes the fines (which are not high enough). I agree they should be behind the counter though and we could easily lose the big colourful displays.

I exhale the same amount whether that exhale contains vapour or not (yes, vapour, not smoke).

If you stand too close to me, you're inhaling what I exhale, regardless of what is in it or whether you can see it.

So much duff information and dramatic wilful misinformation in this thread - bottom line, you don't like the smell, and you can see it so its an easy target to have a moan about.

Kids should not be vaping - thats a parental issue, kids do things they shouldn't all the time and it is for their parents to deal with. Report shops, report sources of illegal (ie black market, non-tested) vapes.

Kids who already have asthma absolutely should not be vaping - I do think the fact that the two girls you mention (two is really stretching 'multiple' btw) have asthma prior to vaping and developing pneumonia should have been in your original comment and not drip fed in later!

Loads of adults (the majority!) vape the sweet fruit, dessert, fizzy drink flavours, they're by far the most popular. My 'every day' vape is grape and strawberry, my alternate is watermelon cherry (tastes like the Nerds sweets) and my occasional is currently Bread and Butter pudding (sometimes Lemon Tart)... I haven't even considered cigarettes since finding sweet flavoured vapes. Friends who work in vape shops (they don't sell disposables at all!) report the same trend.

OK, I disagree with that lobbyist messaging @PencilsInSpace . There is a simple answer- put vape behind the counter at the pharmacy for smokers giving up. Illegal vapes are a red herring. And shopkeepers simply aren't enforcing age restrictions and clearly don't fear any consequences.

The uptick in youth vaping has only happened since 2021. The consultation outcome lists quite a few unintended consequences of various proposals. I'm sure you will agree these need thinking about carefully before any changes in the law.

Of course what could be done right now is to increase funding for trading standards so we have some hope of enforcing the laws we already have. We need to stop illegal vapes from entering the UK. We need to stop illegal underage sales. These things are already illegal. But that would take £££ not just kneejerk bans.

I vape, and I don’t do it around others. I used to smoke and I consider it no different in public.

I don’t understand the logic in people vaping in indoor establishments. that’s disrespectful for sure.

Vaping has helped me stopped smoking and cut costs, and it makes me sad that young people have ended up getting into them easier than cigs.

We do talk on about flavours and packaging, but alcohol is often dressed up similarly but no ones up in arms about that. My unicorn pink glitter gin isn’t being argued. Stick shit flavouring in vapes and it won’t be as easy to get off the smokes either.
the issue lies with grown adults and retailers . Just keep them out of view. And stop supplying children offhand.

Personally I'd like to walk down the street without the stench of marijuana. Don't care about vapes unless it's blown right in my face.

That's what I thought 😂

This definitely hasn't happened. Multiple hospital admissions because of standard vapes?

Pull another one..