To be sick of vapes everywhere

I mean yeah, you are not unreasonable to be annoyed and it shouldn’t be done indoors in public settings but as for others commenting on how it looks ridiculous yada yada who cares? If it’s stopped lifelong smokers from smoking cigarettes then good for them!

Visits to bars in Germany have made me very glad that the UK have a total ban on smoking in enclosed public spaces. Filthy habit, take it outside.

Water bottles don't contain batteries that catch fire when put in the waste compactor.

But yes, I can't stand litter bugs and am trying to remove single-use plastics from my own life.

Why would you make vapes only available in pharmacies when you can buy actual deadly cigarettes in any corner shop? Why make the safer alternative more difficult to buy than tobacco?

You'd have no objection from me if access to cigarettes became more difficult. But I seldom see kids smoking so I don't believe that there's currently a big problem. Vapes on the other hand seem to be everywhere.

Yes, the ones in the UK are not snus, they're nicotine pouches. They're wads of plant based filling material with nic salts and flavourings in.

Snus is tobacco but unlike other kinds of oral tobacco it is not associated with an increased risk of oral cancers. The tobacco is treated differently and it doesn't produce anywhere near the same levels of tobacco specific nitrosamines. Snus was the preferred form of tobacco in Sweden for generations and this has greatly contributed to Sweden's very low rates of smoking and tobacco related diseases compared with other european countries.

This evidence review found that smokers who switched to snus had a similar risk profile for cancers and cardiovascular disease as smokers who quit tobacco altogether.

https://europepmc.org/article/MED/23454227

Snus is banned in the UK and across the EU except for Sweden. Nicotine pouches are not banned but neither are they regulated except for general consumer product safety regs.

It's not the same
You don't have the same action as smoking (hand to mouth) and they also burn. I tried nicotine gum to quit once and it was a really unpleasant burning sensation, the pouches do the same thing
The reason vaping has been so successful is because it's almost a direct replacement, you get the same feeling as smoking with a nicotine throat hit and the same action

They're based on the idea, but snus is usually tobacco which has a lot of problems. The modern pouches are just nicotine and some flavouring I think, more like vaping but no actual vapour.

It's absolutely vile, as is smoking. It stinks and is disgusting.....coming from an ex smoker of 3 years!!

Obviously the op knows better than the.medical university lecturer's that say vaping is safe.

Re the nicotine pouches mentioned above, are they not the same as nicotine lozenges, or do the pouches have a higher nicotine content? I don't know, if I was a smoker I think I'd be afraid of swallowing the pouch! Patches don't seem to be popular either. I suppose for smokers vaping is the thing that mimics smoking, so it works.

I mean there’s even big name shops than don’t I’d for energy drinks. My 14 year old can again go into the one by school and walk out with 10 cans of monster or redbull not an eyelid batted.

Lots of things that shouldn’t be sold to under 18’s are being and not just dodgy corner shops.

There isn't even a need for it anymore. Have you seen the nicotine pouches popping up all over the place lately? They're discreet and no smoke involved.

Ok, well you keep adding on bits and changing bits, whatever

I dont disagree but the laws are already in place to protect children and like most laws its not fool proof

Posters on the thread have already said how they like all the sweety flavours and pinkness for their own vapes as adults.

Yes I know. I was just correcting you when you said you want a ban for children and teens.

You can buy anything, energy drinks, fags, booze, drugs.

There are some stats about hospitalisations, in 3 years theres been around 1000 hospitalisations from vaping or vaping correlated disorders of all ages

Each year there are 5000 hospitalisations from passive smoking in children.

Neither is great, both are anti social.

https://www.sacpa.org.uk/2023/11/10/dozens-of-children-under-ten-hospitalised-for-vaping/#:~:text=NHS%20hospital%20admissions%20for%20%E2%80%9Cvaping,same%20period%20two%20years%20ago.

They're not legal for children and teens (well under 18s)

The day that cigarettes are sold on prescription is the day I'll agree to the same for vaping.

It's here, it ain't going anywhere anytime soon, so just like all other air pollutants it is something that most people don't notice much, like me a non smoker/vaper, However, vaping on its own is constantly railed against by the "agin everything" crowd. Not satisfied with the smoking ban, no.... and now that nicotine addicts no longer have to emit cigarette smoke, well the next thing for the zealots is vaping.

It reminds me of a controlling partner in a relationship, about which we can read much on this site every day.

Some people seem to have a lot of angry time on their hands. Perspective is needed.

I truly believe that it’s worse than smoking - at least most smokers are well aware that it’s an anti-social behaviour and do it away from other people, and outdoors!

I wish that were true in my area. I’d take the vape smoke over the cigarette smoke in our town centre. I go straight to the town centre market after the school run so I don’t have to deal with it, otherwise by 10 there are smokers smoking in shop doorways and in outdoor public areas where people have to pass them.

It’s what worries the pp. Her comments have been all about, and only about, single use plastics.

OP, with respect, that other people don’t agree with you about something doesn’t mean they’re being ‘bizarre’ or not sensible. They just have a different point of view. Most things in life aren’t black and white, they’re shades of gray.

OK, but you’re objecting to a product on environmental grounds that’s got little impact compared to other uses of plastic. That’s like railing against yogurt or margarine because they come in plastic containers.