AIBU to ask if the plan to 'prioritise British families' for social housing is an attack on asylum seekers or a long overdue reform?

Not at all. I think someone too disabled to work should get a lot of points to take them to the top of the list.

So you think someone should be penalised if e.g. they're too disabled to work and therefore haven't paid in?

I didn't say I had an answer. I realise that people have a need to live near their support network.

At some point unpopular decisions will need to be made though, as no government, or wannabe government, appear to have any intention of addressing the root cause which is a lack of affordable housing in the places that need it.

This is the kind of shit that will get the tories voted back in. Divide and conquer and the bigots fall for it every time. Yes I'll happily pay more for everything and have a shit quality of life as long as we keep those foreigners out

I do think if there is a points based system that paying nothing ever should be penalised.

It works though. Look at Brexit!

Ooh the British workers may have done these low paid jobs if there had been the offer of social housing and we wouldn't have had to keep importing more workers from abroad?

Whilst many of those from the EU worked, they were in such low paid jobs that they also qualified for HB and had children, so were in no way net contributors

Hmmm, yes but considering carers, many NHS employees and many more are low paid positions and considered pretty essential for a society to function smoothly it’s probably prudent to consider more than the tax gain/loss alone before deciding someone is worthy or not.

I mean it’s unlikely anyone in a position to qualify for social housing currently is a net contributor. I don’t think it’s the best criteria to argue about who is ‘deserving’ when essentially no one is by that measure.

@clarinova

There I was thinking you might actually engage in some sort of dialogue instead of posting links that only cement your clear position without any further fleshing out.

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I worked in social housing for decades. We had section 106 properties sold to our HA by developers every couple of years. South East so massive waiting lists. The council had the list and we'd get their nomination list when the block was handed over to us. A great deal of the noms were foreign nationals with leave to remain (so came via the asylum system) and people from the EU. Whilst many of those from the EU worked, they were in such low paid jobs that they also qualified for HB and had children, so were in no way net contributors.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/09/26/keir-starmer-will-let-100000-foreign-lorry-drivers/

This is one of those right wing ideas that pops up in election years. We had a row about this at work last time it came up. My and my mate who both knew nothing about how 'council housing ' is allocated went off to research it and we found that you have to be British or have leave to remain with access to public funds to be eligible.

And also no council collects data on the grounds of immigrant or foreign or religion or British born or whatever, not because of woke but because its considered a potential breach of equality law to check.

So if the tories want their nasty racist housing policy in place they will have to pass some new laws. Have to win an actual election first.

Which is weird when we have a government boasting of low unemployment rates against a backdrop of industry specific shortages. It’s almost like investing in training would be the first thing a government wanting to ‘prioritise our own’ would want to do…. Yet here we are.

A quarter of working age people don’t work.

@Clavinova I see you’ve phrased and punctuated that as a question but somehow I think you’ve already answered your own question.

WORKING British people.

Doesn't Keir Starmer keep saying that Labour will “govern for working people” as “the party of working people”? Or is that just a meaningless sound bite.

If only we had a national shortage of politicians eh?

Well that’ll be a Tory failure then, Universal Credit was implemented (at great cost) because it was meant to make it easier for people to get back into work.

but then I suppose we’ve had very low unemployment figures in recent years so it must depend on which way the winds blowing on any particular day in how anyone would choose to see these things as pros or cons.

It’s just more meaningless noise.

We'll have nobody to work in the nhs if they're not careful...not that they give a shit. It's all desperate sound bite electioneering.

Rishi needs better advisors. This is so transparent that I’m cringing for him. Labour will probably just ignore this foolishness and wait to see what bollocks Rishi and co will announce next. Probably hostelling with Chris Eubanks or Monkey tennis. Fucking jokers. Embarrassing stuff.

Will they be working though? Most people who claim UC don’t work at all.

There’s no social housing for the needy and there won’t be any more. That’s the core.

Under the circs, it’s wrong to ignore low paid workers in favour of anyone else. Capitalism relies on the hardworking low skilled.

It's not just British people though. It's WORKING British people. Both immigrants and the unemployed of any nationality can go to hell. Not at all shocked coming from the Tories

Great, so we can take expensive London mansions off Russian oligarchs and use them to house the homeless 👌🏼🤞🏼