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Straight women, were/are you aware that Jodie Foster is gay?

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MNUse · 21/01/2024 14:14

Been mildly curious about this for a while. I’m a gay woman and my loving well-meaning mother will occasionally make slightly clumsy attempts to bring up gay films or famous gay women that she assumes I must be interested in because they are also gay (e.g. Ellen Page as was). But she has never mentioned Jodie Foster, and although I haven’t tested it I get the impression she isn’t aware, maybe partly because although JF is now ten years married to a woman she has never quite made the big ‘I am gay’ speech.

AIBU to think a lot of straight women still haven’t really noticed that Jodie Foster is gay? And, if I’m wrong, when did you become aware?

YABU - I know, I’ve known for ages, yawn

YANBU - I didn’t know, or didn’t know until very recently, but anyway, yawn

OBVIOUSLY what matters is her acting, but I am mildly curious about what causes someone’s gayness to register/not register with the wider public

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Josette77 · 21/01/2024 19:31

If your sexuality has never been an issue you are privileged. Privileged people often don't like acknowledging their privilege.

Homophobia hasn't disappeared any more than racism or sexism has.

MNUse · 21/01/2024 19:21

NewYearNameChanger · 21/01/2024 19:16

But that was 30-40 years ago, why is the OP starting a thread about anyone’s sexuality in 2024? That’s the least interesting thing about an actress of JF’s calibre. I saw what the OP wrote about JF’s potential for being a gay role model, but she hadn’t been very vocal about her private life so she clearly doesn’t want to be seen as a gay icon.

But that was 30-40 years ago, why is the OP starting a thread about anyone’s sexuality in 2024

Did you not read the post upthread mentioning how Kristen Stewart said she was told, recently, that she maybe could get a Marvel role if she stopped holding her girlfriend’s hand in public?

Also, like everyone on this thread, I wasn’t born in 2024. I was born several decades ago, and the prejudice I experienced in the 90s and 00s affected me and continues to affect me, and it continues to affect Jodie Foster as evidenced by the fact that she only ‘officially’ came out 10 years ago and seemingly continues to feel slightly uncomfortable talking about it. People praising how private she is are being wilfully obtuse about the fact that until fairly recently she really didn’t have any other option if she wanted to keep her career.

The psychological damage caused by decades of homophobia doesn’t magically vanish just because straight people eventually decided they had other things to think about.

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Josette77 · 21/01/2024 19:18

What makes a gay icon beyond being gay and an icon?

Who are gay icons?

NewYearNameChanger · 21/01/2024 19:16

CrashyTime · 21/01/2024 17:21

It used to matter a great deal in the 80s and 90s, hence the reason a lot of big stars pretended not to be gay, or just didn`t talk about it.

But that was 30-40 years ago, why is the OP starting a thread about anyone’s sexuality in 2024? That’s the least interesting thing about an actress of JF’s calibre. I saw what the OP wrote about JF’s potential for being a gay role model, but she hadn’t been very vocal about her private life so she clearly doesn’t want to be seen as a gay icon.

Josette77 · 21/01/2024 19:16

The OP wasn't asking if anyone cared.

It's an odd thing to respond with. It reminds me of when people say they don't see colour. It just screams privilege.

Yes I knew she was gay and yes it mattered to me because it meant I had a chance. A small small chance.

When Drew Barrymore came out as bi I not only felt less alone, but I was pretty sure we were destined to be together. Granted I was 14.

bumblenbean · 21/01/2024 19:15

I’ve known for years but can’t remember how/ when I found out. I thought she was incredible in Silence of the Lambs so probably found out soon after watching that as a teen, when I probably looked her up.

As a straight woman I have something of a crush on her… Can’t really pinpoint why - there’s a few other strong female actresses I think are very magnetic too.

Delphiniumandlupins · 21/01/2024 19:11

CrashyTime · 21/01/2024 17:37

Movie business is just about bums on seats though, if the majority of the audience is straight then the studio assumes they will relate better to "straight" characters played by "straight" actors, Hollywood has always tried to hide the real lifestyle of stars for whatever reason, Sinatra for example was massive in the 40s when portrayed as a wholesome family guy, then the stories about multiple relationships came out and the career took a dive, because a lot of the audience didnt relate to that lifestyle.

Yes, it's interesting how we form opinions about people according to how they are portrayed in the media. In all areas of life. And definitely there is money behind it.

Trixiefirecracker · 21/01/2024 19:09

Atethehalloweenchocs · 21/01/2024 18:49

but she was definitely attractive and the movie studio know that straight guys might go to see her in a movie for that reason alone,

Yes, @CrashyTime you are right, she is a beautiful woman and was definitely presented as such. But my point was she was never primarily presented for her beauty but for her talent - in the same way as, say, Meryl Streep, who is also a beautiful woman but also a towering talent. As opposed to, say, Julia Roberts.

I remember Meryl Streep in an interview saying she was turned down for roles because of her looks and for not being ‘beautiful’ enough. Both Jodie and Meryl are not maybe not conventionally beautiful in society’s eyes as Julia Roberts is perceived I guess but they both have a very special something that adds to their attractiveness and are of course amazing at their craft. 😁

Trixiefirecracker · 21/01/2024 19:05

Yes. I knew. Am straight but will probably turn for Jodie! (Just in case she’s reading Mumsnet🤣)

LadeOde · 21/01/2024 19:01

I've known forever, even before she came out.

pickledandpuzzled · 21/01/2024 18:51

Thanks for your thread @MNUse

We’re watching Silence of the Lambs now, and have Little Girl who lives down the lane earmarked too.

Though DS1 asked if they had colour tv back then. 🤦‍♀️

Atethehalloweenchocs · 21/01/2024 18:49

but she was definitely attractive and the movie studio know that straight guys might go to see her in a movie for that reason alone,

Yes, @CrashyTime you are right, she is a beautiful woman and was definitely presented as such. But my point was she was never primarily presented for her beauty but for her talent - in the same way as, say, Meryl Streep, who is also a beautiful woman but also a towering talent. As opposed to, say, Julia Roberts.

Ellysetta · 21/01/2024 18:46

Yes it was very well known in the 90s when I was a teen. As in “I saw that film with Jodie Foster you know the lesbian one.” that’s hiw I became aware it was just mentioned in passing with her name.

Which, actually, makes me wonder when women stopped saying “lesbian” and started said “gay” as if lesbians have somehow been subsumed by gay men.

ChanelNo19EDT · 21/01/2024 18:46

geez, I' don't see the big deal in asking if we knew, when we knew, after all, we're allowed to speculate on straight actors and their love lives. I can't believe the thread police. I mean, why does anybody ever discuss anything

Aroundthewaygirl · 21/01/2024 18:39

My DM had a feeling she was back in the 80s which is when I first heard about it.

CrashyTime · 21/01/2024 18:36

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carny_(1980_film

Always surprised Robbie Robertson didn`t act more.

Carny (1980 film) - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carny_(1980_film)

StopStartStop · 21/01/2024 18:29

Yes, I'm straight.
Yes, I knew.
eta: And I've known for as long as I can remember.

MadeOfAllWork · 21/01/2024 18:28

MNUse · 21/01/2024 18:16

I wonder how many of the ‘who cares’ posts were written by posters who just saw the title of the thread, didn’t actually read my original post, and clicked ‘reply’ assuming I was a straight woman who had only just discovered JF is gay and was in a massive tizz about it. I guess that could explain some of the replies…

Well what reply would you want people to give?
That they didn’t know and they will never watch her films again?
That they did know and they think she is amazing and brave for being an out gay woman?
or
That they don’t care. It’s nothing to do with them.
Let’s think about say, Anthony Hopkins, is he straight or gay? I have no idea. Does it matter? No.

CrashyTime · 21/01/2024 18:26

LuciaPillson · 21/01/2024 18:02

Yes, I agree about the studios caring about money. And indeed, you may be right about the aesthetic value of Marvel movies, but many serious and talented actors do appear in popular franchises (Ian McKellen in LOtR and X-Men, or Maggie Smith in Harry Potter, for example) and presumably earn shitloads of money. And it would be good if that career option were equally available to openly gay actors as to straight people or closeted gay actors.

Booking a big franchise was a possibility for Ian McKellen, but (for whatever reason, sex or age or her not being as well established, or because he isn't called upon to play the male lead love interest at his age) less so for Kristen Stewart, who was advised to keep her sexuality low key to further her career. I think it was brave of her to say publicly that that had happened to her. Here's hoping that other young lesbian and gay actors won't have that said to them in the future.

Speaking of McKellen, I saw something in a book published in the 80s, can't remember what it was but it was saying that he was unable to play straight love interests as he didn't have sufficient warmth, and they put this down to his being gay! By that reasoning, Rock Hudson should have had insufficient warmth to play all the romantic hetero leads he played...

Interesting points, but those films and actors you mention are from a different era of film making, the Marvel stuff that gets churned out now isnt in the same Universe at all, it is obviously made to try and compete with all the other screen distractions people are exposed to long enough to get them into the cinema to spend 40 quid on coke and some sweets, not the studios fault really more just a symptom of the modern multi-media world. I dont think IM is particularly "warm" as a personality whether he is gay or straight, that is just him I suppose, RH seemed to be able to represent "masculinity" for many years for whatever reason, that is just how the movies work I suppose, nothing is as it seems? There is the famous scene with Doris Day where he mimics a gay man to get her to laugh when he is chatting to her at a bar in one of their Rom-Com movies, so you have a gay actor pretending to be straight playing a straight man pretending to be gay! Only in Hollywood, and only in the 50`s would that work!

capabilityfrowns · 21/01/2024 18:23

Watching her in true detective and watched NYAD recently. I absolutely love her . But yes I've known she's gay for a long time . I'm straight but find her very attractive . I love
The way she's aging . I think she's a terrific actress .

SerenChocolateMuncher · 21/01/2024 18:20

MNUse · 21/01/2024 18:16

I wonder how many of the ‘who cares’ posts were written by posters who just saw the title of the thread, didn’t actually read my original post, and clicked ‘reply’ assuming I was a straight woman who had only just discovered JF is gay and was in a massive tizz about it. I guess that could explain some of the replies…

That is an astonishing conclusion to reach given that almost every poster has confirmed they already knew about Ms Foster's sexuality and they are unaffected by it.

What sort of replies did you hope for?

Idratherbepaddleboarding · 21/01/2024 18:18

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MNUse · 21/01/2024 18:16

I wonder how many of the ‘who cares’ posts were written by posters who just saw the title of the thread, didn’t actually read my original post, and clicked ‘reply’ assuming I was a straight woman who had only just discovered JF is gay and was in a massive tizz about it. I guess that could explain some of the replies…

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WilhelminaC · 21/01/2024 18:13

What’s it got to do with ANYONE??

SerenChocolateMuncher · 21/01/2024 18:10

Delphiniumandlupins · 21/01/2024 17:27

Ms Foster is not selfish to keep her life private but she would be very unselfish if she was public about her sexuality. She doesn't owe that to anybody but many minorities have benefitted from the courage of people who have gone before them, risking harm by speaking out about injustice.

I think I see. You are saying there are degrees of not being selfish. So, Ms Foster isn't selfish for keeping her private life private, but she would be even less not selfish if she talked about it.

A person's sexuality doesn't have to define them. If she wants to be an superb actor who happens to be gay rather than a gay actor, that's fine. It doesn't make her any degree of selfish.

Likewise, it's not selfish to be unaffected (or to admit to being unaffected) by the sexuality of a person wholly unconnected to us.