New build social housing

I don't doubt it, but crime is higher on council estates. It's not even debatable.

Yes, love, I do understand it; I was being facetious.

Yes, those who are able to borrow money are happy to pay extra because they hope that by living further away from those in social housing, they can avoid perceived problems such as antisocial and criminal behaviour. Because they're willing to pay extra, sellers are happily charging more and therefore house prices are artificially raised and others are unfairly priced out. This is part of the reason for the housing crisis. I hope that clears it up for you.

Why do developers reduce the price of private houses next that are situated next to social housing then?

In a word: perception

Nobody pretends it's always fair, but you can't force people to buy a house where they'd rather not, and with a few exceptions for truly unusual properties "desirability" always involves price

Ah so there is no thought, knowledge of theory behind it. You were just spiting nonsense. And now doubling down on it, making yourself look like an idiot. As you were.

To give people like you the impression that their money can protect them from poor people.

How do you artificially increase price of houses not near social housing vs those that are near social housing? How does that theory work?

@Surgarblossom
No they don't! We contacted the housing association countless time about drug dealers living in social housing next to us, as did everyone else on the street. Nothing was done, they had been moved countless times already and there was no one else to put them.
Someone was finally done when their house was set on fire..while their kids were in it

I would rather live next door to social housing tenants than private renters. At least if you have a problem with Social renters you can contact the housing association and complain, they will generally do something private landlords usually wouldnt be bothered so long as the rent is being paid!

It could simply be that house prices have been artificially increased to make the buyers feel like they're getting something extra special. Shelter really should not be that expensive and everyone has the right to a decent house, not just those that can't afford to pay the inflated prices.

I was one of those people that bought a new house and the developers had to point out the social housing. At the time we thought “They’ve got to live somewhere and they’ll probably be grateful of a new build” but unfortunately our ‘virtues’ didn’t pay off as we were left living next to drug dealers and people screaming all hours of the day, and untidy front gardens. You can spot the social housing a mile off.

OP - You can either be virtuous and miserable or you can be smart and live in peace.

Why do developers reduce the price of private houses next that are situated next to social housing then? Why even then are they always the last to be sold?

If it was a myth that there was a higher chance of anti social neighbours in social housing then surely some people would realise this and would snap up the cheaper property next to the social housing as soon as it went on sale. This never happens.

It is no great mystery. If you own something and have to fund it yourself then you’ll generally look after it better to help retain the value of your asset.

If you owned a 50k car would you park it overnight in a dodgy area? Probably not. If it was a hire care would you be anywhere near as cautious? Probably not as the hassle of it being damaged or stolen is far less painful than if you owned it.

has anyone else bought a home on a new estate and not had any problems with the social housing?

i haven’t but I do live in a rent to buy housing association flat. I was considering buying on shared ownership but decided to rent first as it’s reduced rent and they’re still responsible for repairs etc it seems a good deal. I hope to buy this year or next year.

My neighbours are all fine! Seems to be mainly couples and singles from 25-50. But I hear there are some families too. I just haven’t seen them lol. It is super quiet here and residents seem largely respectful.

The only issue I had was dealt with swiftly - a neighbour letting her off-leash dog jump on people. And I heard from someone else there was an issue with a dog (a different one) peeing in the communal area once but that was caught on cctv and the owner was spoken to plus all dog owners were read the riot act.

That said, to qualify to live in my building you had to be earning a minimum amount and pass a credit check. I think it automatically excluded many if not all who are living completely off benefits. So most if not all of the residents are working full time.

I previously lived in a very large block of flats that were all privately rented or owned and there was rubbish left around on stairwells, dog poo on the rooftop garden and the smell of weed everywhere. So yeah it just depends I guess.

It might be good to speak to local people and/or spend a week nearby in an Airbnb or post on a local forum.

Anyone can get run over by the bus. But if have a propensity to step into the road without looking, you’re more likely to get run over than if you are careful.

‘Utter garbage’ reflected in house prices, you mean. You pretending something doesn’t make it real. Two identical houses in an identical area, the one near social housing will always cost less than that one near privately owned homes.

Social housing lowers prices for nearby privately owned homes. There is a reason for that. People can make up reasons all they like but it’s a fact that if that social housing wasn’t there, those houses would cost more.

If you want to ignore that fact, do it. But accept that it’s not the best financial decision.

"experience shows the average social housing tenant is a less desirable neighbour than the average private owner"

What utter garbage.

Anyone can be a complete twat. When we bought our new build, the sales lady was obliged to point out where the social housing would be (it made me feel quite uncomfortable that she had to do it tbh) Never had any issues tbh although we live quite far away. Anyway, we previously lived in a semi that we owned and out attached neighbour owned. They were the biggest chavs ever. Nasty and had no respect for anyone. They were convinced that when their house got egged it was ‘because they were black’. I was convinced it was because they were just arseholes and someone had finally had enough of them 🤷‍♀️

Yeah, I live in an apartment complex and the intercom system has been broken for nearly a year. We're lucky if we even get repairs from the housing association let alone new stuff 😂

That definitely isn't the case here. There are several, large, private landlords here who will take anyone backed by the LA deposit and rent scheme. Then they don't give a damn. By contrast, the social housing providers are notoriously picky, if you can even get on the list.

That’s interesting and shows the difference between areas. Here, the houses that are owned are the ones with new windows, roofs, money spent on them, tradesmen going in to do new kitchens/ bathrooms etc. The ones that are still social housing get repair jobs, not replacements.

No, but it does provide balance. The vast majority of people living in social housing are ordinary, decent people living their ordinary lives.

I live on a fairly large post-war council estate, though at least half, if not 3/4, of the houses are now either private rented or owner-occupied. The only way you can tell the difference is that the SH houses have new cladding, windows, roofs and a specific canopy over the front door.

Given a house for free? You are aware that we social housing tenants have to pay rent?

Do people really still use the word "chav"?

We advertised a flat in London last year. We received 30+ applications in 6 hours and pulled the advert. We were able to choose our tenants and there's no way we'd have rented to anybody with a hint of problems.

The current housing shortages mean that landlords don't need to take on risky tenants.

I think the only place problem families are going to be housed, for the foreseeable future, is in social housing.

Just as another consideration, in our LA over the past 2 years the social housing situation has become so dire that you only stand a chance of being housed at all if you have a medical need, are a victim fleeing DV or a serious, legitimate emergency. If there is any hint of you causing your situation yourself through behaviour/rent/any other then you aren't eligible and told to find a private rental. If you are evicted due to the landlord selling up etc they will provide you a deposit and rent guarantee and tell you to get private rental.

My point is that its so difficult to get housed that problem families just aren't being housed in social housing anymore. I'd be a lot more concerned about private rentals in cheaper areas of wherever you live.