To never ever buy from Snag again?

Nevermind, found it now! My phone was having a moment.

There's no "safe" when it comes to choking. It's a huge risk and is an indicator that harm is likely. Look at the We Can't Consent To This website for more details about it.

Well, since you ask (and answer, for some reason?), the metro had a tweet about the public being 'fisted' by the weather lately, for example. So yes, the porn imagery is seeping out into public life where it's extremely difficult for people to avoid, if they want to.

Have we any evidence ANY of this is in public?

Any of these badges spotted in the local Tesco?

Didnt think so.

Good. Bring back kink shaming. People can do what they want in private spaces, but I don't believe I'm alone in being tired of people trying to horrify the public with their puerile preferences.

@Hmmmmaybe That's a broad stroke, there are plenty of men who are into consensual choking.

I am not denying traumatic experiences for anyone who this has happened to without consent. But many people are into BDSM consensually and it does not mean there is anything deeply psychologically wrong with you.

Do you have stats for that?

@Catsandthecradle if it was a man who
was being choked I’d also be stuffed to not he checked himself in for some solid therapy

usually the woman being choked though isn’t it? Funny that. Why do think that is?

Everyone feels differently but can honestly say it doesn't bother me - I actually find it slightly offensive that people think if you're into choking (as a woman consensually) then you need therapy? The Snag section is literally labelled NSFW, it is for Adults only. It is explicitly for this type of material which many people are not adverse to and that is the fact of the matter. No one is forced to buy those patches and not many are likely to wear it in public - it is more likely for private use or 'sexy functions'.

Men who are sexually aroused by choking woman should be shamed.

women who ostenibly give consent need therapy to resolve whatever previously male violence make them relive the experience of violence

Fuck me, the rage I feel about that Instagram post.

And not just that, apparently this "kink shaming" is in the same category as shaming someone's race and ability. Geez, the delusion. And frankly, an insult to anyone who experienced shaming based on innate characteristics like our skin colour or how able bodied we are.

I wasn't aware of this thread or the very existence of NSFW Snag, I found out because their response just popped up in my feed. Well that's me done with Snag. They're overrated and overpriced for the quality anyway.

They are of course free to feel that way, just as I am free never to buy their stuff again and never recommend or suggest them to anyone. I had previously just ignored the NSFW section as not relevant to me, but those badges, particularly the choke one, are just not on.

They've posted an official response to this thread on their Instagram, I've just seen it. Apparently we're all kink-shaming.

@Bibbidybobbidyroo hmm I'm guessing a lot of middle aged mums like comfy tights though. I know loads who buy them.

I mean..totally agree.

At 21 I would have absolutely worn something like that, fully on display for shock factor.

Now I am 40 and simply do not give a flying fuck about the male gaze.

The great thing about being a middle aged MN user is that you don't have to be a " cool girl" putting up with porny male aesthetics any more. And that goes for their normal site too.

That is literally free publicity from them.

They do not care if listeners to woman's hour don't like their company or products. You are not their audience or market.

You know who wants to have a badge that says 'Choke Me'? 21 year olds who want to feel like they are rebelling against the world. Middle aged mumsnet users not liking it is only going to make the products more attractive,

Has anyone on here made their feelings known to the company? Is it worth flagging this with someone like Womans Hour? They frequently discuss the high levels of sexual assault women experience. Maybe some bad publicity might make them rethink what they are contributing to.

NB and sorry for those who are just interested in tights, but I actually find that it’s really horrifying how in an era of mass porn consumption, many people seem as underinformed about the mechanics of sex as ever. Given what I write about lubrication (above), it make me 🙄 when post-op trans women on X etc. claim the neo-vagina “gets wet”. No, without those cells of the vagina mucosa, it really doesn’t and isn’t ever going to. Skin cells aren’t ever going to produce vaginal cell wall blood plasma exudate; it’s factually impossible. But it’s easy to believe all sorts when most people know nothing about how bodies work!

Unfortunately, it really is the pornified male and Americanised internet version of “come”, which is the actual term! Usually when people use the misspelling “cum”, they’ve got it from porn, the internet or men texting. Don’t get me wrong, it’s pretty widespread misspelling, but it is still a misspelling. Appeared relatively recently, too. If you look at the OED you can see “come” has a long history, from way back when there were other metaphors too, like “to spend” and “to enjoy”, but “to come” (v for orgasm) and rather later “come” (n for ejaculate) became the default quite a long time ago.

On a related note, anyone noticed young women recently starting using “come/cum” as a term for female lubrication, but in an apparent idea that women normatively and routinely ejaculate? Drives me mad in erotica/fanfic. Women don’t produce “come” (of any spelling). They have lubricating fluid, and sadly most of what passes for “squirting” is fake (or dilute urine, or vaginal fluid with urine and gland fluid). Even the most extensive scientific studies have never found a great deal of evidence for female ejaculation, and those that did find any seemed to conclude that any fluid is a mixture of dilute urine and/or possibly fluid buildup from the Skene’s glands. But in fact, vaginal lubrication is an amazing fluid that is secreted only by the mucous membranes of the vagina, is made by those cells from blood plasma and seeps out of the cell walls. Lubrication production increases during female orgasm, but it’s actually from sexual excitement more generally.

Vaginal lubricant is massively understudied, and may have all sorts of contributory properties in terms of fertility and sperm selection that aren’t yet well understood. It isn’t anything remotely equivalent to male ejaculate; and it makes me sad to think that young women’s idea of sex is now so purely porn-centric and male-centric that now sex scenes written by young female writers who have had their brains addled by porn and “kink” and fake “squirting” videos and seem to think that women produce “cum” like men do 😂😩

irrelevant.

So many valid things to criticise and you decide to call people thick for a different spelling.

You decided to challenge her assertion first. "Cum" is pornified and creepy.

I’m in my 40s. Pretty sure if you did a poll you would find the majority of people spell it “cum”.

either way, low blow and pointless to boot. So many valid things to criticise and you decide to call people thick for a different spelling.

As previous poster said, a lot of their images are porn-inspired and those patches are disgusting. I won’t be buying for them and am shocked that women who work for the company haven’t flagged this.