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Dogs in the office

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banjocat · 17/01/2024 15:39

I've recently started at a new workplace.

Someone in the same office but from another team brings her dog in, and has been doing this since before I started.

It's a very large open plan office, around 30 computers in there, and also members of the public come into the front area (where there is a customer facing desk).

I have mild dog allergies. Not to the extent that it really causes a problem, but if the dog came and sat near me (which he sometimes does) I have to move away from him.

Despite my allergies I do like dogs, but I suppose I'm just surprised that no one mentioned or checked with me that there would be a dog in the office. With such a flow of staff and people through the space, there are bound to be people with allergies or other problems wtih dogs - I'm kind of surprised that this is allowed and just seems to be in place every week.

I don't feel I can say anything without it creating bad feeling as it's an established routine now and lots of colleagues love the dog.

Are dogs in the office becoming the norm now?

AIBU to think it's a bit rude not to check with everyone who is working there?

OP posts:
KarenNotAKaren · 18/01/2024 17:34

SwimmingWorrier · 18/01/2024 16:24

Well it doesn't matter to me so I'm not worried. I do think that OP should have been told when she was offered the job so she could have declined it. I don't know how a new starter can come in and demand that they change things that have worked in the past without pissing people off.

I knew my boss had dogs at work sometimes as I met them on interview day. So I could easily have said I didn't want to work there. I don't think for one minute I would have been hired if I'd have said I can't be around them and expected him to stop bringing them in.

I don't know how a new starter can come in and demand that they change things that have worked in the past without pissing people off.

Because the workplace has an obligation to make reasonable adjustments for disability and health conditions!

It’s not rocket science.

A woman in my work has loads of reasonable adjustment due to PTSD from having a very prolonged and torturous attack by an ex. To others (twats) she has a cushy little number because she gets to WFH loads, she gets more regular breaks and her desk takes up a larger space where she can see everyone else (because she scares easily when approached from the back so has to have her back to the wall). People don’t like it but Anyone who isn’t a twat sees it’s perfectly reasonable for a woman suffering from an acute condition.

underneaththeash · 18/01/2024 17:27

RedPony1 · 17/01/2024 15:58

There's a large Vets HQ that encourages dogs in the office, my last job had dogs allowed.

Not entitled at all, never met anyone that doesn't like it in real life, only on mumsnet.

I wouldn't like it (and we have a dog!).

KarenNotAKaren · 18/01/2024 17:27

kisstheblarney · 18/01/2024 14:39

Could you explain how a dog sitting there would be as distracting as a child..... does your child just sit there? Well trained if not a bit misguided if they do! Do you use a lot of screen time for them?

FGS @kisstheblarney literally no one is advocating for kids to be in offices 🤣 they are saying a kid wouldn’t be accepted so why should a dog be

KarenNotAKaren · 18/01/2024 17:26

Secondstart1001 · 18/01/2024 14:19

Someone brings dog to office and I don’t like it. I love animals however our office is small and tends to smell of him. Also there is nothing worse than a dog sniffing out your period! Also of more annoyance was we had a big meeting with our owners in our office and plus guests from other offices .. we were pushed for space and the dog sat on sofa where as I had to stand for 1.5 hours leaning on a desk! I think now and again it’s ok and in my old office which was way bigger it wasn’t so much of an issue.

Gross! What a horrible way to treat a colleague.

I stopped going to SILs because she once expected me to sit on the floor when the dog was on the sofa.

KarenNotAKaren · 18/01/2024 17:24

Flopsythebunny · 18/01/2024 14:17

Actually, the assistance dog would take priority

Assistance dogs are an extension of employees so it would be equal, actually. And adjustments would have to be made for both

KarenNotAKaren · 18/01/2024 17:24

But if that's how you treat your children..... like a dog.... says more about you than me!

Confused WTF. Did you touch the moon with that massive reach?

What a weird thing to say.

Im not the one treating some mutt like a baby.

User0311 · 18/01/2024 17:23

Quite common now to have an office dog. I'm not a fan of it but do like dogs usually, just not in the workplace

KarenNotAKaren · 18/01/2024 17:23

kisstheblarney · 18/01/2024 14:12

@RaspberryJamTart I've seen many more than one waitress injured by tripping over feral children!

I find dogs a lot less annoying than children in an office all day!

I find it hilarious that you think a child in an office is more acceptable than a dog.....

But if that's how you treat your children..... like a dog.... says more about you than me!

I deffo felt my children needed much more structured care and looking after than my dog but 🤷‍♀️ we're all different.

Oh yay, comparing dogs and children.

Children are humans and cannot be left at home. The end.

I find it hilarious that you think a child in an office is more acceptable than a dog.....

Well you’re easily tickled then! Like I said it depends on the child ms the dog. I’d much rather have a well behaved child than a yappy disruptive dog. In fact I’d rather have neither on the office - neither belong in the workplace.

KarenNotAKaren · 18/01/2024 17:21

Goldenbear · 18/01/2024 14:11

YANBU, although it is a good question to ask at interviews as being quite badly allergic to dogs, I would not be able to accept a position where they were present. My DH's firm did allow dogs but they were too disruptive and they don't allow it anymore.

I’m sure it was the Trafford Centre that recently tried allowing dogs in the premises and then they reneged because they found that poor behaviour from dogs and their owners was too much. They found piles of shit laying around 🤮

KarenNotAKaren · 18/01/2024 17:19

I find that people saying “You don’t like dogs do you?” Are saying it with the same accusatory astonishment than if they’d said “You don’t agree with women being in the workplace do you?”

Disliking dogs is absolutely fine and very understandable. It’s not some human rights violation, it’s about preference and people are allowed to not love dogs and even find them irritating. As they are with any animal. How can you not understand that?

kisstheblarney · 18/01/2024 16:59

RaspberryJamTart · 18/01/2024 16:32

@kisstheblarney you keep missing my point, maybe the dog is distracting you, as I have said, I don't believe either have any place in the office but if people want their fur babies there as we are constantly told on MN how they are just like children then why not children, you may not like children, but plenty don't want dogs in the workplace either.
You don't need to concern yourself with my dcs welfare thanks, perhaps you should consider your colleagues welfare and how they have their needs in a work environment placed below what you perceive as your dogs need or your lack of budgeting for doggy daycare.

Also in OPs case the dog is already in the office, so it would seem the consensus is that people are happy with it!

kisstheblarney · 18/01/2024 16:55

RaspberryJamTart · 18/01/2024 16:32

@kisstheblarney you keep missing my point, maybe the dog is distracting you, as I have said, I don't believe either have any place in the office but if people want their fur babies there as we are constantly told on MN how they are just like children then why not children, you may not like children, but plenty don't want dogs in the workplace either.
You don't need to concern yourself with my dcs welfare thanks, perhaps you should consider your colleagues welfare and how they have their needs in a work environment placed below what you perceive as your dogs need or your lack of budgeting for doggy daycare.

I'm not missing any point at all! You said kids should be allowed in an office as well as dogs, that they were no more distracting.... not true!

You also think that kids should not be stimulated etc, they should!

Just because @KarenNotAKaren child would sit counting for hours, doesn't mean it's a good idea all day long, dog in an office sleeping all day long isn't going to be detrimental to their well being.

RaspberryJamTart · 18/01/2024 16:32

@kisstheblarney you keep missing my point, maybe the dog is distracting you, as I have said, I don't believe either have any place in the office but if people want their fur babies there as we are constantly told on MN how they are just like children then why not children, you may not like children, but plenty don't want dogs in the workplace either.
You don't need to concern yourself with my dcs welfare thanks, perhaps you should consider your colleagues welfare and how they have their needs in a work environment placed below what you perceive as your dogs need or your lack of budgeting for doggy daycare.

SwimmingWorrier · 18/01/2024 16:24

KarenNotAKaren · 18/01/2024 16:05

Yes. There’s no reason to have one unless it’s a service dog or for work purposes. Otherwise they’re just a smelly nuisance and only there because owners are selfish and/or irresponsible. It also a symptom of the odd way our society treats dogs and expects others to

Well it doesn't matter to me so I'm not worried. I do think that OP should have been told when she was offered the job so she could have declined it. I don't know how a new starter can come in and demand that they change things that have worked in the past without pissing people off.

I knew my boss had dogs at work sometimes as I met them on interview day. So I could easily have said I didn't want to work there. I don't think for one minute I would have been hired if I'd have said I can't be around them and expected him to stop bringing them in.

KarenNotAKaren · 18/01/2024 16:05

SwimmingWorrier · 18/01/2024 13:50

@KarenNotAKaren including my current job and the last three places I have worked. Three out of four were dog friendly.

You feel very strongly about dogs in work places don't you?

Yes. There’s no reason to have one unless it’s a service dog or for work purposes. Otherwise they’re just a smelly nuisance and only there because owners are selfish and/or irresponsible. It also a symptom of the odd way our society treats dogs and expects others to

kisstheblarney · 18/01/2024 15:10

Ginmonkeyagain · 18/01/2024 15:08

I woud have picked the dog up and dumped it on the floor.

I would've got the dog to sit on my lap!

Ginmonkeyagain · 18/01/2024 15:08

I woud have picked the dog up and dumped it on the floor.

HonoriaLucastaDelagardie · 18/01/2024 14:57

we had a big meeting with our owners in our office and plus guests from other offices .. we were pushed for space and the dog sat on sofa where as I had to stand for 1.5 hours leaning on a desk!

The person in charge of the meeting should never have allowed that to happen.

kisstheblarney · 18/01/2024 14:39

RaspberryJamTart · 18/01/2024 13:44

What does the dog do for the rest of the day? If it just sits there, it can do that at home, no need to be in the office.
Dogs are smelly, unhygienic allergy inducing and can be equally distracting as children...of course not your dog because they are special 🙄 and don't beg for attention or get under the feet or smell (nose blind) or bark, or growl, in the same way that some children are well behaved. I don't want children in the office any more than dogs...neither should be there, or both should be allowed.

Could you explain how a dog sitting there would be as distracting as a child..... does your child just sit there? Well trained if not a bit misguided if they do! Do you use a lot of screen time for them?

TiredCatLady · 18/01/2024 14:33

RaspberryJamTart · 18/01/2024 14:26

@TiredCatLady yes but you know, as long as those dogs aren't lonely and there is not financial downside for the owner, who cares about anyone else...is very much the MN dog owners rhetoric.

The mind literally boggles.

I'm now exceptionally relieved that I don’t work in a dog-friendly office.

RaspberryJamTart · 18/01/2024 14:26

@TiredCatLady yes but you know, as long as those dogs aren't lonely and there is not financial downside for the owner, who cares about anyone else...is very much the MN dog owners rhetoric.

TiredCatLady · 18/01/2024 14:23

Dog friendly offices are a thing?

Surely that’s a massive distraction if the animal is roaming around and there has to be some sort of health and safety implication/risk assessment in place?

And how is it managed? Surely it’s wouldn’t be long before there were multiple dogs in and then people wanting to bring other pets/their toddlers/etc.

I can’t imagine taking the cat to work. I mean for a start it would shred the office plants and probably get stuck behind the coffee machine or somewhere equally ridiculous😂

SwimmingWorrier · 18/01/2024 14:23

@Secondstart1001 I like dogs but would not be stood up when a dog was sat on a sofa.

RaspberryJamTart · 18/01/2024 14:22

Menomeno · 18/01/2024 14:06

I feel strongly about dogs in the workplace. I was attacked by a dog when I was five years old and had my entire scalp ripped off, and had to have a lot of reconstruction. I’m still terrified of them to this day, despite loads of therapy. The realisation that if I ever need to look for another job, 75% of workplaces will have very suddenly become no-go areas for me is alarming. Never in all my career have I ever even had to consider that offices are no longer workplaces, but canine menageries.

That's ok @Menomeno because you know you can go and work from home and become socially isolated/lonely instead of the dog(owner) because you know they are faaarrrrrr more important than any tax paying society contributing human
💐 Not nice to have that fear.

Secondstart1001 · 18/01/2024 14:19

Someone brings dog to office and I don’t like it. I love animals however our office is small and tends to smell of him. Also there is nothing worse than a dog sniffing out your period! Also of more annoyance was we had a big meeting with our owners in our office and plus guests from other offices .. we were pushed for space and the dog sat on sofa where as I had to stand for 1.5 hours leaning on a desk! I think now and again it’s ok and in my old office which was way bigger it wasn’t so much of an issue.