The obsession with children being loud in public and disturbing others...

Zombie thread with a one post goady bitchplop and run op
still gets people frothing 18 months later ffs

Whining about kids in public places is the sort of things that are leading to a plummeting birth rate. People thinking that if they have kids they won’t be able to eat out again for 20 years. I think it’s France where they now prevent hotels and restaurants from banning kids, for this reason.

personally I love the sound of a screaming child that isn’t mine. It makes me feel grateful I don’t have to sort the child out.

I can't recall ever being disturbed or anoyed by a child in public, I've been annoyed by drunken or rude adults a good few times. I do think it must just be grumpy people with no patience who complain.

noisy kids in confined public spaces drive me nuts. It's the parents who can't be bothered to ensure that the kids play quietly. Kids who play quietly are no less happy than those who play noisily. It does no child any harm to learn to have fun without annoying others. I am no perfect parent l, but my kids understood at a very young age that there are places where you make noise and others where you don't. They didn't find that difficult, because it isn't.

I agree OP

I'm far more aggravated by adults who are completely lacking in any self awareness - including the man who knocked my arm off the handrail to get on the train last week. Dick.

People...obvs I mean men... having loud phone conversations on the train to show how important they are and I just fine people in general very loud these days. A kid sat quietly on a phone or tablet doesn't bother me in the slightest but this is MN - it's like the Upside Down.

How can this be ‘an obsession’ when what you’re talking about is a number of different individuals posting their experiences? Dumb thread

That is gross.

Patents who abdicate their parenting responsibilities are the problem, not the children.

@floweplantpot I know you are in jest, but sadly, I think you are not far off, in the sense that I don't think modern life is conducive to it. Everyone's 'time poor'. Kids have a lot less freedom to go out and burn off steam. You can't just let your kids out the door in the morning.
There's also more of an attitude of 'rights prevailing over responsibility. People mentioned loud, obnoxious adults. That's got worse in the last 20 years or so. The people who can't keep quiet in a theatre and get shitty when asked to be quiet are passing that entitled attitude to their kids.
Consideration is more of a dirty word now in general.

Only in the minds of simpletons.

Oh dear.. anyways

So parents are definitely just a lot worse than they used to be then ?

The younger generation isn't cut out for it ?

68 million people in the UK, 8 billion in the world.....not everyone is like you OP!

Anyway most of the time it’s the parents of the children I judge. Children don’t know any better, they need to be taught. Parents either are so used to the noise they don’t hear it or they just don’t care.

Also why do people make this comment “you were also a child once” Yes no shit Sherlock. What is your point? I didn’t ask to be born. Just because on a particular day at a particular time my fathers sperm met my mothers egg, I was produced I need to just accept when kids are being little shits. I had brief moments of being a little shit too. Brief because my parents taught me how to behave properly in public.

When I'm on a train, I see/hear more adults blasting out loud music or videos from their phones than young children watching TV shows on their parent's phone. Some of the adults will wear headphones, but I can still hear the tinny sounds as they've put the volume on max.

I was once having a rare lunch out with my sister and a little girl, around 5 and full of cold, complete with snotty nose kept wandering up to our table. We tried our best to ignore her, hoping she would get bored and wander off.
My sister went to the toilet and the little girl jumped into her seat and refused to move, until we got her mother over, who took her away
Then when our food arrived and we started eating it, the little girl came running back, grabbed a handful of my chips and proceeded to sneeze over my meal.
Her mother just said ' oh dear, sorry ' before attempting to walk away. No offer to replace my food, nothing, until my sister educated her.
Unfortunately, that seems to be the level of parenting these days, let your kids do what they please as long as they're not disturbing the parents who are usually sat glued to their phones rather than teaching their kids socially acceptable manners.

Yes that's right, it's me.

No one goes online to say everything went smoothly, children behaved well, no drunk idiots, no delays etc.

You remember that awful flight or meal more than the good one.

I've taken a lot of flights, eaten a lot of meals, been on a lot of public transport, been to the theatre etc. I definitely remember the bad experiences more... but its only a handful!

I can deal with most noises children make, until it's a high pitched shriek.
I can't help it if a childs loud noise in a confined space make me wince, it sets off my tinitus, even when wearing noise cancelling headphones - which I do when I leave home to go anywhere these days to try and negate unexepected high pitched noises.

I'm the same with bus and train brakes that haven't been oiled in a while, doors creaking when being opened, and various other sounds along the same lines.

I think this is true, and I agree with the OP's thoughts here.

Lol at the voice of ignorance. MN always good for a giggle

I’ve had quite a few loud annoying children around me at various points, but definitely a lot more loud annoying adults.

DH and I went to an expensive local restaurant last week for lunch for a minor celebration. It was midweek and the place was quiet.

Until parents with 3 children under 5 came in. The youngest one screamed constantly, I think he was bored. The middle one climbed onto the table (which I thought might actually provoke the parents into doing something but no) and sang songs at the top of her voice. We left after the main course as I couldn't bear it any more.

OP you're not noticing it because you're that parent who lets their kids run around like crazy and bothering other people.

I totally agree OP. I’ve never been bothered in public by noisy children, never heard a blaring loud iPad either. Another one that crops up is “feral children climbing all over the place in a restaurant”. Never seen it.

Feral and loud adults of the other hand are ten a penny these days. And even worse - fucking dogs in public barking, licking things they shouldn’t lick and generally bothering people. Give me a kid with an iPad in a cage any day over a slobbering, casting, oversized and overindulged mutt in a cafe.

Same on planes.. I've been sat near babies and they sometimes cried, but nothing unbearable.

If you had sat next to DD and I when we flew to Sydney when she was not quite one you would probably have thought, what a delightful well behaved baby.

If you had sat anywhere on the same plane as us a year later when we took a very short haul flight from Manchester to Jersey you would certainly have hated us. It was unbelievably awful. The flight was delayed (all due to Diana's funeral) and DD threw such a spectacular tantrum the cabin crew had the steps brought back and I was "invited" to leave the plane to calm her down. When we got back on she continued to scream half the way to Jersey.

But actually when we got past the toddler phase she was pretty civilised and could be taken anywhere.

The only example I could think of was being at a wedding where a child screamed the whole way through it.

I am generally more irritated by the parents who do not parent their children. Little Sophie will not learn any social skills if Daddy doesn’t guide her about what is socially acceptable!!