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To ask if Donald Trump could actually be president again?

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tinkertee · 16/01/2024 08:37

I've just seen a headline about him now being the front runner for the Republican nomination. Which I assume means it's entirely a possibility that he could then win.

I'm British (English) so I know our current government is a complete embarrassment. But I will never get my head around DT having been president once never mind possibly twice.

How could this happen??

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Mirrorinthebathroom123 · 16/01/2024 10:15

Anisette · 16/01/2024 08:51

I really hope not.

I wonder how many of his supporters realise that he would ditch all help to Ukraine if he came into power?

He has also said he wouldn’t defend Europe if it was attacked. He wants to abandon NATO. It would put us in a very vulnerable position.

I can’t believe how stupid (and I don’t use that term flippantly and use it very rarely) the American public are. It’s absolutely shocking he has any followers at all.

Hecate01 · 16/01/2024 10:14

With the shit show that we have to pick from in our country I don't think we are in any position to comment on how other countries vote or who they field for president.

Topseyt123 · 16/01/2024 10:14

I truly hope that Trump will not become President again (I don't think that an already impeached candidate facing further legal action should even be allowed to stand anyway), but really fear he just might. Biden is preferable, but still not great and I don't think his following is high anymore..

I find it hard to believe that Biden and Trump are really the best two candidates that the Democrats or the Republicans can come up with. What a paltry choice!!

tommika · 16/01/2024 10:13

tinkertee · 16/01/2024 08:37

I've just seen a headline about him now being the front runner for the Republican nomination. Which I assume means it's entirely a possibility that he could then win.

I'm British (English) so I know our current government is a complete embarrassment. But I will never get my head around DT having been president once never mind possibly twice.

How could this happen??

He is the ‘front runner’ for Republican nomination, but the only recent update is that he had 53% of the vote in the Iowa caucus

The caucuses are made up of registered members of the particular party
47% of Iowa caucus voters voted against Trump / for alternatives
In the 2020 Iowa caucus Trump as incumbent president had 97%, but in 2016 came second to Ted Cruz with 27% Cruz and 24% Trump - then he went on to win the election

Yesterdays result will be taken as an indicator for the remaining states.

Darkandstormynite · 16/01/2024 10:12

I very much doubt Trump will get elected again, for a number of reasons:

  1. Once the DoJ case starts for Jan 6 events there's going to be so much evidence coming out about Trump it will have a huge impact on his image. His MAGA support base will follow him no matter what, but the rest of America will be watching. I'd put good money on the fact that he will be convicted by the DoJ once they get him in the courthouse.
  1. He is bragging about Roe vs Wade as his achievement, thereby alienating a lot of female voters, who have yet to cast their votes.
  1. There are going to be massive financial penalties against him in the NY Fraud trial and in E. Jean Carroll case which could take him to bankruptcy. This will impact his financial standing and he will have to lean on his MAGA supporters even more to pay his bills.
  1. Iowa was always a given that Trump would win. It's New Hampshire that will be interesting.
  1. SCOTUS have yet to rule on presidential immunity (when and if they take the case)and on the 14th Amendment case. Big decisions with big consequences for Trump.

Overall I see this as a good move. It's needs to be a Trump v Biden election because the MAGA question needs to be decided by the American people. If it isn't it will always be a lingering thorn in the side of the US constitution.

Remember this is just the Republican nomination vote and it was always going to be Trump as the candidate. Look how the Republicans have behaved in Congress, they were never going to go against him. Although Liz Chaney is definitely worthy of respect!

tinkertee · 16/01/2024 10:12

@Fullfatandfortyplus which Google did you use?! There's a lot out there about Trump and racism. There's whole Wikipedia page dedicated to it.

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MandyMotherOfBrian · 16/01/2024 10:11

KimberleyClark · 16/01/2024 09:26

The question is, why do so many people want to vote for him when he has shown time and time again that he is unfit for public office of any kind?

The question is, if all of that is true (and of course it is) then why don’t said people think they’d be better off under a Democrat president? If so many people are disenfranchised enough that they see Trump as their only saviour, that’s on the Democrats.
I suppose you could conclude that they’re all thick racists, or some such, but that didn’t help the UK through Brexit, and it won’t help the US through this.

KimberleyClark · 16/01/2024 10:09

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 16/01/2024 09:45

It's incredible to me that in a country of 300 million people two extremely elderly men, Biden and Trump, are the only options for the next President. Biden has been unimpressive and seems to be in very poor health. Why haven't the Dems been able to make him understand he couldn't stand again, for the good of the country?

Trump - if he had less money he'd have been in prison several times by now for sexual assault and probably fraud and tax evasion. How a person of his character can be considered suitable for the Presidency of the richest country in the world is a mystery to me. How he appeals to ordinary working people is also a mystery to me, as he was born into a very rich family and has never known poverty. He isn't even a particularly good businessman! He's racist, sexist, cruel, selfish, manipulative, lies as easily as breathing and not very bright. What is his appeal?

He appeals to not very bright, racist, sexist,selfish people who feel he is one of them.

ruffler45 · 16/01/2024 10:09

The really bad option is Joe Biden and not knowing who is/will be actually making the decisons on his behalf (Kamala?, Obama? Clinton X 2, Pelosi, Schiff??) ...Lots of previously very vocal Democrats have now gone very very quiet.

It is a bit suspicious that there has been no succession planning by either Democrats or Republicans in the last 4 years.

caringcarer · 16/01/2024 10:07

In Iowa he got more votes than all other candidates put together. I think he will be president again. I can't understand why they keep voting for the candidates who are about 80.

Tattletwat · 16/01/2024 10:06

You have Biden who doesn't know what day it is. And you have Trump who doesn't care what day it is.

Out of a country of 300 million is laughable these are best candidates.

Golden407 · 16/01/2024 10:05

Rosiesmum23 · 16/01/2024 09:09

I think it is very likely, and it scares the hell out of me.

Why?? He's very isolationist. He very likely won't get involved in wars or foreign affairs in any real way. He'll likely say and do things which offend a great many people and that's about it.

What are you scared of?

Araminta1003 · 16/01/2024 10:02

“Trump - if he had less money he'd have been in prison several times by now for sexual assault and probably fraud and tax evasion. How a person of his character can be considered suitable for the Presidency of the richest country in the world is a mystery to me. How he appeals to ordinary working people is also a mystery to me, as he was born into a very rich family and has never known poverty. He isn't even a particularly good businessman! He's racist, sexist, cruel, selfish, manipulative, lies as easily as breathing and not very bright. What is his appeal?”

Same as Andrew Tate. The answer is that it reflects the erosion of the white working class male. If you look at their attainment statistics in the US and here, you will soon see why this form of populism is on the rise. If the male white was the dominant force just 50 years ago (near the top, even if working class) and now near the bottom of the social food chain, then that is the consequence. The answer is to look after the white working class boys from infancy and give them a chance. It was also one of the causes of Brexit (looking back at a bygone era). Politicians like Trump and Boris Johnson just play into this. They know how to trick this lot, the disenfranchised. They only get some power and a say during elections/referendums. The rest of the time they are forgotten.

Here is a funny article by the author of Trainspotting:
https://unherd.com/2023/05/irvine-welsh-the-betrayal-of-white-working-class-men/

Doteycat · 16/01/2024 10:02

SpursFan2 · 16/01/2024 09:49

That’s so awful. I wouldn’t put it past Trump to say something like that, but also can’t believe he actually said it.

He said it at the rally the other night.
He said I don't care if you are on your last legs get up and vote for me. You might die after it but at least ill have your vote.
It's available online if you don't believe it.

IncompleteSenten · 16/01/2024 10:00

Fundamentally, people are selfish. Not just Americans. All of us. Our personal interests concern us more than the interests of our wider community. People like trump appeal because of that. Your problems are the fault of X group. I'll help you. Why should your money be spent on Y group? I'll help you. Look at this group of people, they're the enemy. I'll help you. If this policy goes ahead other people will benefit! You may or may not benefit but you won't benefit more than other people. I'll help you.

Trump is one man. He can't do anything by himself. Selfishness and short sightedness are (ultimately) fatal flaws in our species that gives men like him power. They're also what will likely be our end.

Fullfatandfortyplus · 16/01/2024 09:59

NannyOggsWhiskyStash · 16/01/2024 09:13

And what has Trump done except be racist and sexist,and lets not forget he instigated the attack on the Capitol Building,why are you supporting him?

I see this said a lot and I’ve just had a Google but I can’t find anything he’s done that’s racist. Do you have any examples?

Doteycat · 16/01/2024 09:59

BubbleBubbleBubbleBubblePop · 16/01/2024 09:54

Peehaps they saw a positive difference in their communities under Trump? I don't know but there has to be a reason.

Abortion.
That's it. That's the only reason.
Say goodbye to America and quite likely Europe if he gets in again.
Peace in Europe won't withstand him. Not when he backs Putin and halts aid to Ukraine.
You can debate bollox all night but that's the long and the short of it.

doodlepants · 16/01/2024 09:58

I work with people whose job it is to know all about this and they have predicted he will win the next election.

Doteycat · 16/01/2024 09:56

WandaWonder · 16/01/2024 08:56

Well he was once so why not?

Probably the most stupid quesion ever.

3luckystars · 16/01/2024 09:56

How, in that whole enormous country are these the choices.
Why is the system so messed up that there are no other options. You have to have billions behind you to become president in the USA.

I think he will get back in. Yes I do.

keylemon · 16/01/2024 09:56

The Democrats should have a decent candidate to beat Trump. If he wins is because of Biden and Kamala incompetence. I doubt he will win but If he does the wailing and crying of the Democrats is going to be so unbearable. 😝

MagentaRocks · 16/01/2024 09:55

I hope not but it wouldn’t surprise me if he won again. I find it incredible that someone like him has so many supporters

Thewateriswide · 16/01/2024 09:55

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g you're extremely naive if you think anyone who runs for president isn't independently very wealthy or has backers with huge pockets and virtually unlimited funds.

Candidates are usually carefully chosen and approved by Wall St. Trump totally broke the mould as the elites assumed Hilary was a done deal.

Many Trump voters would have voted for Bernie Saunders but he was prevented from getting the Democratic nomination previously (although he is also ancient).

Biden is as corrupt as all.the rest.

BubbleBubbleBubbleBubblePop · 16/01/2024 09:54

Mrsjayy · 16/01/2024 09:10

oh I can't get my head round it, I thought he wasn't allowed to run again yet here is voters wanting him as their candidate again, I can't work out what's happening.

Peehaps they saw a positive difference in their communities under Trump? I don't know but there has to be a reason.

IncompleteSenten · 16/01/2024 09:53

cardibach · 16/01/2024 09:36

And yet there have been many Anne demented, including the 22nd. It can be done.

Yup. It's been done 27 times. He will certainly try to make it 28.

Try does not mean succeed. I think he will try. I hope he will not succeed.