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To feel he should/could have stepped up?

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MoaningMartyr · 15/01/2024 14:46

Whole family caught virus last week - maybe covid, who knows. Feel hot/cold/exhausated/ache all over etc.

DH took himself to bed for last 4 days. I have been looking after DC (1 and 4) - both of who are up all night with temperatures. I feel shit myself, DH says he must feel worse as he can't get out of bed.

Yesterday, DS (4) had a seizure due to high temp. He has had them before - but they're pretty horrible - ambulance called. Ambulance took temp of other DC and took them both in due to crazy high temps and fit/risk of fit, so off the 3 of us went in an ambulance.

While DS was having a seizure (choking on vomit) - I called for DH who was in bed. He came downstairs after me shouting for some time and then called 999 but passed phone to me saying he couldn't handle it and he felt too ill. So I was left with a 1 year old in tears at sight of his brother fitting, a 4 year having a seizure, and talking to 999 call. Then I went to A&E with them both.

When I was on phone to 999 I was looking over to DH on the sofa lying there with his eyes closed, and just felt such resentment to him.

Am I being unfair? It does feel like a pattern as similar things have happened in past. But he is very ill seemingly. He is back in bed today.

I'm not looking for a knight in shining armour - I'm perfectly capable of responding to stressful situations, but i'm always in dealing with stuff alone it feels like.

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Elliania · 07/02/2024 12:38

Never never never get counselling with someone who's abusing you. All it teaches them is what upsets you, why it upsets you and how to use it better and how to better fake it.

MoaningMartyr · 07/02/2024 12:32

Thank you @AutumnFroglets are you guys still living together for all this time as he stalls? Did you instigate it? My H suggested counselling last night and I'm going to say if he wants counselling for us he needs to find the counsellor and book it, this will never happen.

I'm sorry for the ways your exH is treating you. Its despicable. If you could have heard me last night you would think he was the victim, pretending to cry, saying how anxious he is, how he can't cope, how mean I am and I was calm and articulate (if I do say so myself) but it's after years of underhanded manipulation.

The solicitor said to me on one of the forms (I'm not sure which form as I need to get my head round the admin of it all)....she said there is a question that asks blunty "is there domestic abuse in the house" - have you seen that question on anything you've seen??

I have told the GP about his erratic behaviour before when I was genuinely worried for our safety. I have also told a teacher at school about a couple of things

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AutumnFroglets · 07/02/2024 11:27

MoaningMartyr · 06/02/2024 20:54

The solicitor said to document all evidence of "emotional abuse". And even told me I should consider talking to GP or even making police report online! What am I going to say....he told me I was a difficult woman, he is terrible and selfish in high pressure situations, he is manipulative. These are not crimes! I'm trying to do I can to protect my DC but I don't want to make false accusations of course and also worry that I'd be accused of parental alienation.

I have been told by two DA charities to report my stbxh to the police but I'm in the same mind as you. How, just how, do you report that he's stood over you shouting for 5 minutes because you didn't want a lemsip. How do you report that he "forgets" to buy dinner to eat that night so you go to bed hungry. How do you report delays to getting your medication because he "sleeps in" after an extra tiring night shift for a week and chemist is shut. Yet it never happens otherwise, only then.

Honestly, I haven't reported him, or made a journal. I have started the divorce online, surprisingly with his agreement (and him paying it), but my god the EA doesn't stop even now. We can't progress with it because he "forgets" to do paperwork, or "oversleeps", or "hasn't time". We are no further forward 28 long weeks later. Yep, thats correct, that's 7 months of nothingness and hell.

@MoaningMartyr - start the divorce process, it takes fucking ages to get to the end. Whilst you are in the enforced cooling off period get your financial stuff sorted, and make a plan for the children. Agree to 50/50 split and tell him he needs to do his 50 the following week - it includes feeding them, their laundry, their school drop offs/pick ups, homework, bedtimes, everything. You do nothing, highly recommend you go out in evenings for a pub dinner. You can bet your life that by the time court comes round he won't be doing 50 per cent at all. He won't want the responsibility or hard work. Expect it to be hell, but you know that if you stayed it would also be hell.

However please do mention it to your GP, they can refer you to different support services including counselling. It also means it's on a record somewhere and that is vital. Have you contacted Womens Aid yet? They can offer support via email if you can't chat. Sometimes it's just hearing another person saying "You are not going mad, it's him" Flowers

3luckystars · 07/02/2024 10:31

Well I have noticed that sometimes women put up with a lot of abuse themselves, but when they see any harm to their children, they suddenly see the wrongness of it.

He is very very wrong. That day with the ambulance is unforgettable.

You come from a home where this is all you knew, so this feels normal to you but it’s absolutely not. He is a selfish, manipulator and you are seeing all his tricks now.

It must be so so so hard for you, but all I will say regarding your decision to leave is:

Not deciding, is deciding.

This fact really helped me with a decision years ago. Not doing anything, was actually making a decision (the wrong one, out of fear)

I wish you all the very best x x

Christmaslights21 · 07/02/2024 10:15

@MoaningMartyr this is truly one of the most shocking things I have read on here. He callously watched his baby have a seizure and did NOTHING to help? And he calls YOU hard/mean?
he is manipulative and emotionally abusive.
Please stay strong and get rid of this awful awful man, for your kids and for you. You all deserve so much better 💐

Daleksatemyshed · 07/02/2024 09:58

Now you see him clearly your relationship can't be the same, but he is now as he's always been @MoaningMartyr He was never a good DH and DF but he got away with it, so he sees no reason why you've changed towards him, he thinks you're mean because now you won't forget and let him have his own way.
Now you can only choose to stay or go but he won't see it's his fault, if you're waiting for him to change you're going to have a long, long wait

DifficultBloodyWoman · 07/02/2024 09:38

I don’t think you sound harsh. I think you sound realistic.

He, on the other hand, probably thinks that you are being harsh. But are going to listen to what he says or are you going to listen to that inner voice that is reminding you that you don’t want to have to deal with this/him for the rest of your life?

MoaningMartyr · 07/02/2024 09:34

Last night he tried to kiss and cuddle me and said we could stop all this "sillyness". I said no and said I'm sleeping in the spare room. He started becoming v erratic, refusing to look at me, saying I'm mean and a bully and that I make my points like I'm in a debating society. I said you say that to shut me up and because you don't know what to say back, you've called me difficult and mean with no actual evidence and then you expect me to kiss and cuddle you in bed, it's not happening.

He was pretending to cry this morning

I know I sound harsh but I can see through his BS. I'm keeping your words about not disappointing myself in my mind @Mitherations

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Illpickthatup · 07/02/2024 09:18

MoaningMartyr · 06/02/2024 20:54

The solicitor said to document all evidence of "emotional abuse". And even told me I should consider talking to GP or even making police report online! What am I going to say....he told me I was a difficult woman, he is terrible and selfish in high pressure situations, he is manipulative. These are not crimes! I'm trying to do I can to protect my DC but I don't want to make false accusations of course and also worry that I'd be accused of parental alienation.

I definitely agree about recording the emotional abuse. The advice about the police report I also understand. It can seem like a waste of time now but some behaviours often escalate to actual crimes so it's good to have a pattern of behaviour recorded should heavens forbid anything more serious happen.

I had to submit and online report about my DHs ex. She was making malicious phone calls trying to get my DH sacked and made false reports about me to environmental health. Although these are not major we were worried that the behaviour would escalate and we could be accused of more serious things or reported to social services. It's not always about reporting a crime but recording a pattern of behaviour that could escalate to a crime.

Illpickthatup · 07/02/2024 09:06

MoaningMartyr · 06/02/2024 19:00

God I'm scared of divorcing this dickhead.

He came home all normal and happy. I said to him in a quiet moment away from kids that I didn't think calling me a "difficult woman" was fair and it felt like a way to shut me up.

He told me he stands by it and I used to be "softer" and "cooler" and my comment about him playing fewer video games was reflective of me being "a harder meaner woman to live with". He also said "you should focus on the good stuff. I could be out with lads coming back in the morning smelling of woman's perfume"

Now here comes the petty bit....he has text a load of guys he hasn't seen for months and has just informed me he will be going out on a night soon and "not coming back till the next morning"

He doesn't even enjoy drinking that much these days. It's a level of petty/punishment mentality that is so gross and doesn't bode well for divorce!

I guess just another method of punishing me right? (Not that's actually a punishment as I get an evening to myself)

God, this guy's bar is so low for how men should behave when basically his justification for doing anything is "well I could be out cheating so be grateful".

I hope you're planning a night out with the girls soon.

Nicole1111 · 07/02/2024 07:27

MoaningMartyr · 06/02/2024 20:54

The solicitor said to document all evidence of "emotional abuse". And even told me I should consider talking to GP or even making police report online! What am I going to say....he told me I was a difficult woman, he is terrible and selfish in high pressure situations, he is manipulative. These are not crimes! I'm trying to do I can to protect my DC but I don't want to make false accusations of course and also worry that I'd be accused of parental alienation.

This might help you with recognising and recording abusive behaviour. Record everything in a note on your phone with dates, even if you don’t want to report it.

To feel he should/could have stepped up?
Sparklfairy · 07/02/2024 07:20

He said tonight that the reason we clash is because of my hardness/meanness and said he see himself He sees himself as zero responsibility for any of it.

Interesting. So basically he should do what he wants, when he wants, and YOU'RE the problem if you have an issue with it. God forbid you express an opinion right?

Tilllly · 07/02/2024 05:07

AutumnFroglets · 05/02/2024 21:34

you're turning into a very difficult woman as you're getting older. Very difficult indeed and I don't like it very much".
😱😱😱

He's not far off the sacred manly words of calling you nagging and hysterical. Your best defence is to start laughing at his childish attempts to stop you having "thoughts" and start acting like the good little woman you should be. To be honest OP, wear that sentence as a badge of pride. Go, you!!

The kids seem v happy with him.
Kids will always be happy when a parent shows them any attention, good, bad or meh. Dont read anything more into that.

Solicitors scared me quite a bit.
What in particular? Maybe someone who has been through it can help.

Was it Marilyn monroe who said "strong women don't have 'attitudes', we have standards"?

MoaningMartyr · 06/02/2024 20:55

@Isthisit22 I wish I felt angry. I feel nothing to him, I have no respect for him. I mainly feel anxious and very very stupid for ignoring red flags and thinking I can fix things.

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MoaningMartyr · 06/02/2024 20:54

The solicitor said to document all evidence of "emotional abuse". And even told me I should consider talking to GP or even making police report online! What am I going to say....he told me I was a difficult woman, he is terrible and selfish in high pressure situations, he is manipulative. These are not crimes! I'm trying to do I can to protect my DC but I don't want to make false accusations of course and also worry that I'd be accused of parental alienation.

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Isthisit22 · 06/02/2024 20:29

God you are a saint OP. How can you stop yourself from screaming in his face that he is a total scum bag who was more concerned with his own (mild) illness than his child’s very serious illness? I never air dirty laundry on social media but this vile specimen could do with a few home truths and if he doesn’t value your opinion maybe it’s time he had some from people he knows. Ask them if ignoring your child being taken away in an ambulance is the action of a normal human being. Obv I wouldn’t actually do this, but I’d definitely be telling him exactly why he IS in the wrong.
I’m so angry for you. Find your anger and get on with leaving this stain on humanity.
In the meantime stop listening to his bullshit. His opinions of you are worth nothing.

MoaningMartyr · 06/02/2024 20:23

@RiderofRohan do you wish your parents divorced when you were a young kid? Even it meant splitting your time btw 2 homes?

I don't have a guilt or concern about him. But the guilt i feel about my kids is unbearable

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MoaningMartyr · 06/02/2024 19:24

@Mitherations I certainly agree he won't get any better. He said tonight that the reason we clash is because of my hardness/meanness and said he see himself He sees himself as zero responsibility for any of it. I found it funny when people on this thread suggested he might feel regret for the original thing- refusing to help when our son - he never sees himself as in the wrong

My hesitancy is do with practical stuff...home/finances (I have a small amount of CC debt for example) rather than a belief we/he will get better. But maybe as you say there is no perfect time.

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DogsAreBetterThanHusbands · 06/02/2024 19:20

When he goes out. Change the locks and put all his stuff in bin bags!!

Thelaundryfairyhasbeenassassinated · 06/02/2024 19:08

The sooner you get the divorce under way, the sooner you don't have to deal with his bullshit on a daily basis. Strictly child related communication as and when you want to engage with him.

He sounds insufferable.

Mitherations · 06/02/2024 19:05

I would absolutely not stick around to find out how this goes OP, he will take what's left of your sanity. It's not going to get any better.

TiredOfTHECHANGE · 06/02/2024 19:02

Tell him you’ll be doing the same. If he’s so chill I sure he’ll have no issues with it.

MoaningMartyr · 06/02/2024 19:00

God I'm scared of divorcing this dickhead.

He came home all normal and happy. I said to him in a quiet moment away from kids that I didn't think calling me a "difficult woman" was fair and it felt like a way to shut me up.

He told me he stands by it and I used to be "softer" and "cooler" and my comment about him playing fewer video games was reflective of me being "a harder meaner woman to live with". He also said "you should focus on the good stuff. I could be out with lads coming back in the morning smelling of woman's perfume"

Now here comes the petty bit....he has text a load of guys he hasn't seen for months and has just informed me he will be going out on a night soon and "not coming back till the next morning"

He doesn't even enjoy drinking that much these days. It's a level of petty/punishment mentality that is so gross and doesn't bode well for divorce!

I guess just another method of punishing me right? (Not that's actually a punishment as I get an evening to myself)

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FictionalCharacter · 06/02/2024 18:46

”Our kids are so happy. Our home is lovely. Everything is settled and he acts in such a way that makes it impossible to be happy”

Don’t forget, he’s the one who has spoilt it all, not you, and he’s the one who could fix it. He won’t, and you don’t have the power to, because you can’t change him. It’s a very sad situation but it isn’t your fault.

Mitherations · 06/02/2024 14:02

Feels so confusing

He's doing it to let you know that the request you made of him was unacceptable, to punish you and to confuse you. It's no accident. He's putting you back in your box because you dared to step out of line. It's subtle but once you can see it for what it is, you can't unsee it, it will be woven through your days. Also absolutely reccoment Lundy Bancroft as above.

I left when I had small children, waited it out until they were in school before I made my move because that was the best plan for me financially, money was incredibly tight at that point and I had no family support nearby.

I'd personally say the sooner the better, and trying to hang on for the kids sake, and eventually cracking and leaving when they're older is worse in terms of outcome. If you know you need to do it, and it's a given at some point, get it done as soon as practically possible in terms of housing and income.