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Feelingdisappointed2024 · 10/01/2024 17:10

My child is in Year 1 in a state primary and is given 1 reading book a week in a green book band. She is being told to read said book every night. It is SO boring so we've stopped doing it, and I've spent a small fortune on supplementing the school reading with other phonics books. Sometimes the reading book is repeated, and last term we had the same book for 3 weeks!

Am I being unreasonable to expect the school to provide more books, or is this just what everybody has to do in the state system? Is one reading book a week really recommended at this age? The local independent school gives the children a book a night!

The pace just seems so pedestrian and it's taking so long for her reading to progress. Is this normal or am I just being pushy.

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LaMariposa · 10/01/2024 20:34

Afraid we mostly ignored the school books. We would go and check out a pile from the library, read those together every night. Plus we have an amazing charity shop the sells kids books for 20p each, every time we’d go to town we would stock up.
State schools just don’t have the time or funding.

BingoMarieHeeler · 10/01/2024 20:29

DS has 2 books a week, one at a time, and has to read it 3x before book change day or it doesn’t get changed. One of those 3 times is usually reading to someone at school.

Theyre boring books (we’re not on colours but ‘units’, dunno what scheme it is).

He’s year 1 and reads things like 13 Storey Treehouse, Dogman etc outside of his school-set books.

AuntyMabelandPippin · 10/01/2024 20:25

See, I remember back in the day when my DS could change his book daily, so long as I'd written that we'd read it the night before. He could read easily by the end of Reception.

Then came the Literacy Hour. My other three went through this. One book a week, so boring. We used to go to the library, bought a lot of books, to sort this discrepancy out, but not one of those three read as a habit, whereas number one reads all the time.

OP, try and read different books as much as you can.

FlabMonsterIsDietingAgain · 10/01/2024 20:16

"But all those with children who are doing well are buying their own phonics books to supplement"

So as a group can't you swap books so that you aren't all buying lots?

FuckinghellthatsUnbelievable · 10/01/2024 20:11

I had this plodded along all through P.1. We would read other stuff too. The whole class moved up to stage 2 and then they had their reading assessed. One twin went to stage 5 the other to stage 4. I was a bit 🤔as they’d didn’t actually say anything it just went from a sentence on a page to a short chapter book. It wasn’t just them two children went all the way up to a six. I have older children who plodded through every book. Still really good readers for their age. P4 now

maryberryslayers · 10/01/2024 20:10

We are at a small independent (reception but at year 1 level) and get a new book 2-3 times per week. The teacher likes the whole thing read at school and home. Day one would be half at school and the same half re read at home, day 2 is the same with the second half, then new book day 3. She says it's because they can make sure they are fluent on anything they find a bit tricky before moving on.
If your DD is finding it easy and flying through the whole thing each night then I'd ask for a more challenging book and if you can swap mid week.
I also buy the Oxford Julia Donaldson ones which are very good and match up with the phonics from school.

MILTOBE · 10/01/2024 19:33

Springcleaninginsummer · 10/01/2024 17:19

Is this a read write inc book, by any chance? The idea is that the child reads the book every day, for practice and to gain fluency. If you were learning the piano you wouldn't stumble through each piece once and claim that you had 'done it' would you? You would go over it again and again, even if Mary had a little lamb was boring to hear the first time!

Or maybe - just maybe - some of those words might appear in the next book? Given it's a reading scheme, you know.

Notadoormat4 · 10/01/2024 19:30

RWI phonics books are around £2k for the set. School books are incredibly boring and most teachers in KS2, including myself when I was a KS2 teacher, bought more books for the book shelf. Books are very expensive unfortunately. That does not excuse it and personally, I would bring it up and question the books. We would change books 1-2 times a week in Y1, depending if the child has read at home. We read with the children in school twice a week, not including their phonics lesson.

Whilst it is important to read the school book, it is also just as important to read books from home/the library too.

Reading also isn't just about being able to read the book, it is about understanding it too. Go to a specific page and ask a question linked to the text or imagine; read the book yourself to your child but stop at a word and your child has to say what the next word is; search for a tricky word; do my turn your turn where one reads a sentence then the other reads a sentence.

Dixiechickonhols · 10/01/2024 19:27

Did you look at reading chest link? It’s £12 a month for phonics books. I did it for 2 months. Dd was reading and had good phonics grounding at end of reception and very keen. We had lots of books and went to library but the phonics books were perfect for that small window of time. She started yr 1 several bands higher than left. Flew through rest of reading scheme and happily got on to free readers.
My experience was the early good readers blossomed, could fully access curriculum and got opportunities eg she was often chosen to speak in assembly or narrator in play.

PonkyPonky · 10/01/2024 19:17

Feelingdisappointed2024 · 10/01/2024 18:47

Thank you for your message. It sounds like you are doing the same as us. My daughter is also doing well but again it's because of what we are doing at home and the books we are buying. Do you buy phonics books/take out phonics books from the library or just chapter/picture books to supplement?

My library is very small but can usually pick up some phonics books or visit a bigger library sometimes. I have found eBay the absolute best source of phonics books though. If you ‘watch’ a listing, you usually get offered a lower price a couple hours later. I think I’ve finally reached enough now that I won’t need to buy any for a few months!

katmarie · 10/01/2024 19:17

Ds, year 1 gets one book a week. We supplement with other books, which we let him pick from as and when, and I listen to him read his school book once or twice, a week, more if he's clearly struggling with it. But it's cery very dull of you read it every night. I remember feeling the same as a kid, and I also worry about turning him off reading through sheer boredom.

We picked up a bunch of biff chip kipper etc type books second hand, bundles of them come up regularly in Facebook marketplace. We also have a load of usborne first reader books because our local softplay, which is a popular birthday party destination, puts them in their party bags. Ds is currently reading one of those to the dog as we speak. He also reads board books to his sister, reads road signs, stuff on TV screens, we encourage him to read out whatever he sees really to give him variety.

itsmyp4rty · 10/01/2024 19:09

Urrrgh some of the books are so tedious. I remember when mine was young and they had to start with books without words, they were enough to put anyone off books and reading for life. Rosie's Walk they were not - and there's only so many times that Rosie's Walk is funny and entertaining.

15 years ago I didn't think the books were changed enough - I expect things have only got worse. Remember though if you get books from the library that are a little hard you can always take in turns reading bits of it. If she has favourite books that you read to her she can join in with reading little bits of them as well.

There just isn't the time or resource to listen to individual children read and change books very often in schools unfortunately.

MEgirl · 10/01/2024 18:59

I see nothing has changed since my kids started reception 20 years ago.

Like the OP, we supplemented at home, lots of bed time reading and use of the library.

Feelingdisappointed2024 · 10/01/2024 18:56

@Dixiechickonhols I completely agree with this. It feels like the sooner she learns to read freely, the more access she will have to the whole curriculum. I can well believe those who read early do better.

But I do feel like access to more books would enable this. Especially early reader/phonics books of the type schools provide

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Feelingdisappointed2024 · 10/01/2024 18:53

Tinkerbyebye · 10/01/2024 18:49

As an aside why dont people read the post and actually comprehend what’s been said

in the main post I got that the child gets a book a week to read, that it’s a state school and that the op supplements reading books and is fed up of doing so

so how come the first few posters didnt seem to understand that from the post?

Op instead of buying books do as other suggest and go to your nearest library whenever possible. And I would speak to the school and see if they can offer more books

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Thank you for your message. Do the libraries stock phonics books? I haven't come across them in our local ones but maybe I need to look harder. I think she'd find chapter books too challenging at the moment, and feel like the phonics books are right for her at the moment and we just need more of them!

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Feelingdisappointed2024 · 10/01/2024 18:51

BoohooWoohoo · 10/01/2024 17:49

Have they got more books?

My kids had their reading books changed daily if they’d finished the previous one. They got 2 books for half term and were allowed 5 books for longer holidays. They went to a school that had lots of reading schemes and lots of books and not everyone wanted books changed so often.

No they don't have more books. They read as a group of 5, so buy 5 of the same one.(or 6 to cover losses). And this results in a very small range of reading books to share between KS1.

BUT no one seems to think that it's a bad thing. I know the area and school are affluent enough to purchase more books with support from what is a successful PTA. It's more that the thinking is that the one book a week is the right thing for success.

But all those with children who are doing well are buying their own phonics books to supplement

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Tinkerbyebye · 10/01/2024 18:49

As an aside why dont people read the post and actually comprehend what’s been said

in the main post I got that the child gets a book a week to read, that it’s a state school and that the op supplements reading books and is fed up of doing so

so how come the first few posters didnt seem to understand that from the post?

Op instead of buying books do as other suggest and go to your nearest library whenever possible. And I would speak to the school and see if they can offer more books

Feelingdisappointed2024 · 10/01/2024 18:47

PonkyPonky · 10/01/2024 17:59

Ours only gives one per week but even with that they lose so many to people not bringing them back, imagine how many it would be if they sent more. I too have spent a fortune on phonics book at home so we can read a different book everyday and keep up the pace. I don’t think DS would be the confident reader he is now if I didn’t keep buying them. He’s in year one and can pretty much read anything now and it isn’t because of the one book a week he gets from school. Also library is good for picking more up. The more the better in my opinion as I prefer to know he’s actually reading it rather than knowing the words from memory so I try to leave a big gap between reading the same book twice. I would try your library if you’re fed up of spending on it. I also buy second hand from eBay mostly, that helps.

Thank you for your message. It sounds like you are doing the same as us. My daughter is also doing well but again it's because of what we are doing at home and the books we are buying. Do you buy phonics books/take out phonics books from the library or just chapter/picture books to supplement?

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Feelingdisappointed2024 · 10/01/2024 18:45

squirrelnutkin10 · 10/01/2024 17:55

We had the same at DS state school in Reception, one book a week.
My DD (16 months older) was at an Independent pre prep, as she has a health condition, and got a book a day, (same series)
We asked for Ds to be able to change his book more often, offered to sigh them in and out etc and yet were told repeatedly no, DS would be keen to read 'his' book in the evening after DD read hers, but got frustrated as it was the same each day, and he felt he was missing out.
We moved him into DD school and his reading flew ahead, by 9 he was reading at average age 12, with no major input from home, just 10 to 15 minutes of supervised reading at home and bedtime stories.. I realise we were lucky to be in that position but it illustrates that more reading does speed up understanding.

The thing is it is not easy to supplement as the (rather boring Biff and Chip books do follow a step by step phonics programme.

Thank you for your message - this is it exactly! We are of course supplementing with books at home, but the phonics scheme is very prescriptive and we want to support what she is learning in school. Your experience of the independent sector echoes that of my friends, and I can't help but think that the children are going to be far more motivated and engaged learners using a range of books to practise the same sounds!

At school alone, my daughter is exposed to 10 phonics books per term. My friend's son in a prep school, reads 100 phonics books in the same term.

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Dixiechickonhols · 10/01/2024 18:26

Feelingdisappointed2024 · 10/01/2024 17:28

Yes I've questioned, but this is the reading policy. The school achieves well under average for academic performance and reading in particular and I'm sure this is where it starts. The area is fairly affluent and a neighbouring school achieves very strong academic results with a similar catchment demographic

If other local schools are better go on the wait list? If you are staying put I’d crack on and read lots of your own/library/reading chest plus book from school. Jump through the hoops - fill in reading record daily. Put comments in.
Just a mum of an older teen not a teacher but my experience was the strong and early readers were the ones that did well academically and passed 11+.

L1ttledrummergirl · 10/01/2024 18:02

Schools have been doing this forever and it's bloody annoying. When I was a dc I used to reread my boring reading scheme every night before cracking on with the famous five/secret seven. This stopped when my mum took my books into the school to show the teacher what I was reading. I was then given special permission to go into the junior library to choose my books.

My dc1, different school, same issue. I was told they needed to be sure he understood what he was reading before he changed the book. In his case it changed when they tested all the dc aged 7 and discovered he had a reading age of 13.5. He couldn't score higher.

My advice is talk to the school, show then the books, if they don't listen fill in the home/school book every night saying what they've read and keep supplementing the school books from the library and own collection. Explain to your dc that school books are only a small number of books available to them, and ensure that they have access to books they enjoy.

PonkyPonky · 10/01/2024 17:59

Ours only gives one per week but even with that they lose so many to people not bringing them back, imagine how many it would be if they sent more. I too have spent a fortune on phonics book at home so we can read a different book everyday and keep up the pace. I don’t think DS would be the confident reader he is now if I didn’t keep buying them. He’s in year one and can pretty much read anything now and it isn’t because of the one book a week he gets from school. Also library is good for picking more up. The more the better in my opinion as I prefer to know he’s actually reading it rather than knowing the words from memory so I try to leave a big gap between reading the same book twice. I would try your library if you’re fed up of spending on it. I also buy second hand from eBay mostly, that helps.

squirrelnutkin10 · 10/01/2024 17:55

We had the same at DS state school in Reception, one book a week.
My DD (16 months older) was at an Independent pre prep, as she has a health condition, and got a book a day, (same series)
We asked for Ds to be able to change his book more often, offered to sigh them in and out etc and yet were told repeatedly no, DS would be keen to read 'his' book in the evening after DD read hers, but got frustrated as it was the same each day, and he felt he was missing out.
We moved him into DD school and his reading flew ahead, by 9 he was reading at average age 12, with no major input from home, just 10 to 15 minutes of supervised reading at home and bedtime stories.. I realise we were lucky to be in that position but it illustrates that more reading does speed up understanding.

The thing is it is not easy to supplement as the (rather boring Biff and Chip books do follow a step by step phonics programme.

BoohooWoohoo · 10/01/2024 17:49

Have they got more books?

My kids had their reading books changed daily if they’d finished the previous one. They got 2 books for half term and were allowed 5 books for longer holidays. They went to a school that had lots of reading schemes and lots of books and not everyone wanted books changed so often.

Shinyandnew1 · 10/01/2024 17:48

Many schools have had to change their phonics scheme in the last two years due to the government releasing a list of state sanctioned ones you had to choose from. You then had to make sure all of your reading books had ‘fidelity’ to the scheme you chose. Most of these schemes have cost thousands to implement and buy new books, and many schools don’t have the money to purchase the same number of books they had before. I know several schools who were criticised heavily (and went into a
category) for-amongst other phonics related things-using old books.

Ask the teacher, but if that’s the case, blame the government, blame Ofsted and blame the companies who have made a shit load of money from this forced change to phonics.