To vaccinate newborn or not

@bew96 I suggest using the Fact Check search and look for articles about Candace Owens.

Research is what happens in labs and is funded by medical research councils which all of us pay for, and is only allocated to scientists who have years and years of experience in the field, and who only get to publish when their work has been thoroughly peer reviewed.
Research is not trawling through conspiracy websites.

"that are actually bothering to do our own research "

Oh, of course, the special ones are the only ones who bother to do their own research. On You Tube. What about the rest of us who rely only on peer reviewed published articles and papers. Are we not doing our resurch correctly?

Thanks @bew96 I would be interested in your thoughts once you've visited the link. I'd like to know if once you read it you can see that she absolutely lied in that example I shared?

@bew96
What’s the difference between subscribing to Netflix to watch something you’re interested in vs subscribing to The Daily Wire to do the same?

Well firstly I won't decide on medical issues based on what I've seen on netflix

@NoCloudsAllowed - She isn’t sharing “secret information” that only “gormless fools” and “conspiracy theorists” pay for, she’s done extensive research (something that I and many other parents don’t have the time to do), compiled it altogether and is now sharing it with us “gormless fools” that are actually bothering to do our own research & educate ourselves on something incredibly important instead of just believing what we’re told is the “right thing to do”. What’s the difference between subscribing to Netflix to watch something you’re interested in vs subscribing to The Daily Wire to do the same? I would rather do my own research & ask questions when it comes to something as serious as my baby being injected instead of going into it blind, especially when every vaccine comes with a list of possible side effects & risks (all that can be found online by the way, for free). I would also just like to point out that my original comment was 100% judgement free, no mention of having an issue with parents that choose to vaccinate their children but yet here you are name calling & being judgemental.. yet us “conspiracy theorists, gormless fools” are the problem? Strange.

@whatsitcalledwhen - Confirmed by who? The news who control the narrative & print headlines that they know will get a reaction, or? To be fair, I didn’t state this in my original post but like OP, I’m not necessarily on about the Covid situation or vaccine, I’m on about the vaccine programme we’re expected to follow with our babies as I assumed that’s what OP was asking about. I am incredibly confident that I did not pay to listen to someone lie but thank you for your reply & for not being judgemental. I’ll check out that link regardless 😊

@IAmAnIdiot123 - I know you didn’t direct this at me but I would just like to say, it’s not just some anti vaxxers that try to push their stance on parents that choose to vaccinate, it definitely goes the other way too, you can’t deny that. Both sides can be childish enough to name call, both sides can be silly enough to not do their own proper research but what it comes down to is parents who adore their children simply making what they believe is the best decision for their child and that’s totally fair. Each to their own 100% but we shouldn’t be judging one another either way.

Anti vaxx is a luxury Western idea.

I bet if you went to a country without good medical care , where kids routinely die from childhood diseases, and free vaccinations were offered, you wouldn't get many parents turning it down.

I don't understand why antivaxxers push their stance on everyone. By not vaccinating their children, they are relying solely on herd Immunity. Surely they should be encouraging everyone around them to get vaccinated so they can have the benefit without actually vaccinating their own children?

Fact checked? It's been confirmed widely that she has spread false information. Dangerous information.

As an example of how manipulative she is, check out this link: www.factcheck.org/2021/08/scicheck-cdc-document-discusses-strategy-to-protect-displaced-people-from-covid-19/

The US government considered using a shielding strategy that was very clear in its methodology. That people already living in humanitarian settings (like camps for displaced people) would be separated from the main population of those camps if they had covid, to prevent further spreading within that setting. Candace tweeted that the US government were planning to put high risk American civilians into camps and likened it to Nazi Germany. She repeated this over and over despite it not being the case.

She's vile. And she preys upon people who believe her when she says her claims are fact checked, people who don't then investigate her claims further and just take her word for it.

You paid money to listen to someone lie.

This is how conspiracy theories work, they make you think there's secret information that only a limited group of people can access - makes you feel important and special and makes life more exciting.

Then someone like Candace Owens comes along to monetise the gormless fools who fall for it - pay me money and I'll give you secret information they don't want you to have.

I’m not gonna be kind, what kind of daft person doesn’t want to protect her innocent helpless child because she doesn’t like being told what to do…

I don't think Candace Owens can be described as neutral on any question relating to any vaccination

Candace Owens repeatedly pushes anti-vaccine misinformation on Instagram and Twitter | Media Matters for America

Edited to add link

Hi OP! No idea if I’m replying in time or not but I cannot reccomend “just the inserts” instagram page and Candace Owens series called A Shot In The Dark, everything is totally fact checked and every episode is incredibly eye opening (and shocking!). I paid a months sub to watch the entire series on The Daily Wire, it’s 100% worth the money but if not, you can watch three free episodes on YouTube ☺️

For anyone looking for information on vaccines, when babies have them and what they are for:

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/nhs-vaccinations-and-when-to-have-them/

I think we cannot have every parent trying to get GP appointments to discuss vaccinations!!! No one is ill in this scenario. Speak to a practice nurse or read info from the NhS. GPs are not seeing ill people in a timely way so don’t block appointments.

HighBar · 11/01/2024 19:45
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People can be real dicks. I think the OP is a scared mum seeking reassurance. No need for some to pile on her. “

Oh come on. If you are an “hospital consultant”, you know full well there is absolutely no case - barring limited, very specific medical conditions - against vaccinating children against childhood diseases. All of this pussyfooting around to spare peoples’ feelings. You’re letting them down. What you ought to be doing is informing them very clearly that if they do not vaccinate their children, they are deliberately and knowingly putting them at risk of serious, possibly life-changing illnesses and in rare cases death. If you are not doing so, you are failing to do your job.

That is exactly what our family GP (and close friend) told us many years ago. His own daughter had autism and he was furious with Wakefield.

Is there something you wanted to say that you can't say publicly?

DM me

Vaccines save lives.

The set of childhood vaccines has been given for years and years and hasn't shown any cause for concern at all.

There will always be someone who has a problem with their child and decides to link it to the vaccines. The NHS gather data on adverse effects and have not established any link at all. Sometimes things just happen at the same time. I am not an NHS analyst, but am close enough to that world to know that the analysis will be robust and the results will not be ignored.

Vaccinate your child. For their own benefit, for the benefit of other children, and for the benefit of society.

Be thankful such a well-regarded set of childhood vaccinations is available to your baby for free.

Good, it was nonsense.

I understand people wanting to know more about vaccinations and medicines. You want to keep your children safe above everything else and making and informed decision is important. But the informed bit just seems to be missing. There are decades of evidence, diseases have been eradicated, millions have had the vaccine. A good GP will answer questions including about side effects. There are so many reliable ways to get proper information.

@Blarn I reported it for misinformation 👍🏼

There's a lot of pressure because a lot of people are stupid. Look at all the diseases making comebacks. There's been an outbreak of mumps near us. Fucking MUMPS! it's been so long since mumps was around, hardly anyone remembers what it is.

Mumps: can often cause permanent deafness

Measles: can kill young children and can result in pneumonia and encephalitis.

Tuberculosis: Has a 60% mortality rate.

Whooping cough: babies most badly affected, causes life threatening apnea after at first appearing to be just a normal cough.

Polio: again affects children the most. Can end in paralysis, death or life on a ventilator from the chest muscles being paralysed meaning the child cannot breathe.

These are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head. All of these but polio are seeing a rise in cases where idiots aren't vaccinating their damn kids. Herd immunity only works if most of the herd aren't bloody stupid.

Infant mortality was shocking before vaccines.

EDIT: I quoted the wrong post. The one I meant to quote said that people like Trump and Robert de Niro were speaking out against vaccine side effects. It has been deleted anyway which is probably for the best.

Yes, I get a lot of my medical information from Trump and de Niro too.

We are so lucky in the developed world to be able to get vaccines. Free in this country. They save lives.

@Hellomydear reported for misinformation. Funny how it's always the one who spread lies who have poor spelling and grammar