To vaccinate newborn or not

Came here to say this. Googling stuff isn’t research, it’s googling stuff.

Unless you have a scientific degree, doing your own research will largely mean watching YouTube videos? Useful, informative but ultimately just opinions.
I remember being told in a lecture that the only two interventions that have made a significant difference to human health in the last two millennia are improvements in sanitation, and vaccines.

She sounds nuts to be honest 😳

Does someone being killed in a car crash stop you driving most days? Does the person who choked on some food and died stop you eating? Did you cutting your finger on a knife stop you using knives?

No.

If course it fucking didn't.

What reassured me is the doctors and nurses and scientist who I know personally all had their own children vaccinated.

For god sake. Yes! You should 100% vaccinate your child ffs!

Yes, vaccinate your baby.

People who don't and then say, "well, my kids were fine" are benefitting from other people being vaccinated... And then there are people in countries where they can't vaccinate and their babies are dying at far higher rates.

My own mother nearly died of measles as a child, before the vaccination programme came in.

Of course you should vaccinate your baby.

It will protect not only them but the wider society (unless you’re not going to allow them to interact with anyone else).

This is interesting…

What I don’t like, is the pressure that is put on us to do as we’re told with our babies. I don’t like the constant reminders, the phone calls and the pressure to vaccinate - it all feels like a box ticking exercise not because the NHS are actually worried about my baby.

That suggest that you don’t have medical concerns around vaccines rather you don’t like being told what to do? You are free to ignore calls and reminders. You are free not to get upset if you receive a generic reminder that some people may find helpful. You are free to do as you wish just as you are free to deal with the consequences of your freely made choices.

When you say you’ve done your “own research”, I assume that means you have hired a vast laboratory, and have employed a huge team of highly intelligent and educated scientists over successive generations, who have studied in great depth the development of various vaccines and their results? Or have you just read some articles online?

I have met a few people who have decided, not through necessity, not to have their kids vaccinated. They have all been thickos.

You're fine because you're standing in a the middle of a group of 1,000,000 vaccinated people and the virus has to get through them to get to you and your kids...

But if that virus did get to you...you'd be fucked.

Your children could end up blind or dead or permanently disabled...and that's your choice.

You're that penguin in the middle of the huddle, nice and cosy and warm going "what storm? What dead penguins that got caught out? I'm okay, I'm toasty and warm"

And considering you come from a family of doctors... But don't know anything about the false autism and MMR claims leads me to believe you're talking utter fucking bullshit.

If you’re looking for fact based evidence look for some medical studies. You won’t find anyone with any sense on here that isn’t opinion based. I was never vaccinated as a child, nether was my mum, and my children havn’t been either and we have all been absolutely fine. Vaccines are pushed because they make money, not for the welfare of the child.

You're 'absolutely fine' because other people vaccinated. They are for the welfare of the child and society.

what research have you done?

Vaccines save lives. Look at what measles does, chicken pox, polio, whooping cough. And then decide to give your child the best chance at not getting any of those

Hi OP. I have a daughter who is 11 months and I was always adamant I'd get her vaccinated, but before every vaccination I always get a bit nervous. I think it's natural when you have a young child, but ultimately I trust the scientists and the research and that vaccine roll outs have been very effective in preventing death and disability from a number of diseases.

What is it about the covid vaccine that gave you doubts?

The pressure is also on because many of the diseases covered in the vaccine schedule are so deadly for young children.

The aggressive safe and effective messaging around the Covid vaccines and denial of side effects (ridiculous as all medications have side effects) has arguably done a lot of harm as it will lead to broader trust issues. I write that as someone hospitalized after a Covid vaccine. My DC will not have MRNA vaccines, but have all the scheduled shots.

They’re reminding you often because they don’t want your baby to die of a preventable disease.

Your lot are likely fine because other sensible responsible mothers chose to vaccinate their kids. Thankfully those mothers are the majority.

My MIL is an ardent anti vaxer. She even told my husband she was ‘disappointed because she raised him better’ after finding a bottle of calpol in our house.

She reads medical research that is published and will tell you all about it. She isn’t however, qualified in any way to do so and can’t really interpret the data correctly. Then she goes around telling people whatever half made up conclusion she’s come to as it’s her ‘obligation to inform others’. Her main source of news is also Russia Today.

This is the type of person you are listening to. There isn’t some global conspiracy that all doctors, nurses, health care workers are in on with government. They just want to reduce completely avoidable deaths.

I would suggest looking elsewhere other than Mumsnet if you are truly on the fence and want different opinions other than an echo chamber telling you to do it. I would also suggest not considering them all the same and looking at the individual risk factors, rate of serious illness and death, complications, etc of each vaccine and each disease or illness they deal with.

You do NOT have to give your baby any, you do NOT have to give you child every single one, you do NOT need to succumb to pressure if you have real concerns that are validated with research, you SHOULDNT blindly not give any because it feels like a box ticking excersize. After hours days weeks months and to be honest near on years of reading studies, dissecting them and finding evidence both for and against depending on the individual vaccines (which are not all created equal) the only reasonable thing to do is completely inform yourself of all aspects of them if you are concerned at all. if you choose not to, there are risks, if you choose to, there are risks. You can also look into applying a different vaccine schedule if you don't feel happy about the high number of vaccines given at one point. As will be the case every time a new vaccine is added, there are many more given at once today and before the age of 1/3 then ever in history. I can already see the pitchforks and foaming at the mouth I'm going to receive for saying this but do your research and if you are intelligent you should be able to come to your own conclusion without asking for input from Mumsnet or any other online forum full of people you don't know who have entirely different lives to you and thoughts and ideals. I mean no malice in this but if you really aren't sure either way or don't think you have the ability to research you are better off getting them for your baby and that's coming from somebody who isn't giving them to her own baby at the pace at which the NHS recommends. You would likely always "what if" if anything did happen. The pharmaceutical field is as much a social paradigm as any other scientific field and you are allowed to question things. Who did the study, who was it commissioned by, what agencies profit from it, for both sides of the argument.

@Iwishiwasasilentnight That’s really good news. DS had quite a mild bout of CP but unfortunately DH caught it from him and was absolutely floored by it. I had it very badly as a young teen, was hospitalised and am quite badly scarred even now over 40 years later.

Mumps

www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/mumps/facts

Rubella

www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/rubella/symptoms-causes/syc-20377310

You've got scientists and doctors that have spend years in university, studying and developing medicine, vaccines and science.

And then you've got tw* who spend a few hours on YouTube who think they know better and are playing with the lives of their children. It's disgraceful to be honest.

There's no grey area BECAUSE YOU ABSOLUTELY SHOULD VACCINATE