To vaccinate newborn or not

Myocarditis that has left a lot of scarring. It was severe (critical care initially). It was reported as a vaccine side effect by the hospital and accepted as a Covid vaccine injury. I was not the only one in the hospital with this.

I had all the traditional vaccines with no issues and DC have these.

i’ve done my own research on whether i should be vaccinating my newborn

PhD, MSc, postdoc research in immunology - or sitting on the sofa consulting Google? 🙄

it all feels like a box ticking exercise not because the NHS are actually worried about my baby

This is a really odd interpretation. Vaccines are for the good of everyone, both the individual and society....the NHS is a huge organisation...what do you want? How could they behave in order for you to feel that they are sufficiently worried about your baby?

My son caught an illness which has a vaccine against it. He was very seriously ill and we nearly lost him. Two years later and I am still very much traumatised…already tearing up as I write this.

Please, don’t go through what we went through. Don’t make your child suffer unnecessarily or cause yourself trauma. Vaccines save lives - and your child’s life is super precious to you, so don’t take unnecessary risks.

Fact - the cases of measles is on the rise throughout the country (more than double the number of cases in 2023 compared to previous years, especially in London)

Fact - babies, small children die from measles - worldwide a 43% increase in deaths last year compared to previous years

The newborn vaccinations cover measles, in my opinion you’d be an idiot not to vaccinate and to instead put your child’s life at risk.

You’d also in the future be risking the lives of other newborns that are not yet vaccinated. As your child grows up you would need to keep your child away from these children until they have had their vaccinations as there would be a risk you child could be in the early stages of having it and thus pass it on to other unvaccinated babies. If I knew someone’s child was voluntarily unvaccinated I’d be keeping well clear especially with an unvaccinated newborn. Not vaccinating is incredibly selfish and puts other lives at risk too.

Having a risk of getting a life threatening decease or vaccinate against it safely... get an appointment with GP to talk this through.. or go privately for a consultation to get your answers.

I didn't have the MMR vaccine until I was older (medically advised; I was allergic to egg and part was grown in egg white) and that was only safe because other children who could have it did so circulating levels were low.

So as well as helping your baby by giving them immunity, you're also helping other babies and children who are unable to have it by lowering the risk of them coming into contact with the disease.

At the end of the day, I think one needs to ask "Do I know more than a medical professional?" and if you're really likely to find out more than they know from years of study on a website and be able to judge its accuracy. People like to make scary-sounding lists of ingredients which are actually found in plenty of things, because they know most people don't have that context.

One uses ones judgement. Is it more likely, on the information I have, that medical professionals are somehow my child at risk for money (and remember, this isn't the US, the NHS controls prices, individual medics can't somehow benefit from 'Big Pharma', I'm not sure they even can in the US) or is it more likely that vaccines have reduced child deaths massively in the last century and protect my child?

OP it's okay to space out or delay vaccines slightly. I did this, I found a website that allows you to check the vaccine schedule of EU countries, some countries give MMR and other vaccines later than they do in the UK and I felt more comfortable giving some later than the UK schedule with these other schedules in mind. You can also look for current WHO guidelines on timings of vaccines and minimum number of doses to provide protection. I started my babies off with vaccines against things that can cause meningitis, as that scares me the most, and followed up with other vaccines a little later, giving them time to recover between injections. I personally don't like them having so many in one go, but obviously most babies do just fine with this and this is just my personal feelings.

She has been totally open and said she just had a look on Google. She has come here to ask and I think it’s a good thing as she could have fallen down the rabbit hole as many anti-vaxxers do. There’s no need to be rude for the sake of it. She has taken on board everyone’s points and is listening. I think that’s a good thing and doesn’t require rudeness.

I was a baby during some drama over the whooping cough vaccine. A nurse told my mum "I wouldn't have it for my babies" so my Mum didn't get me vaccinated. Luckily I survived, with only a week in intensive care, when I got whooping cough at 3 years old.

They save lives, although I did refuse the flu nasal alongside the MMR. In fact I refused all flu jabs.

Take a walk around an old churchyard and you will see families with babies and children lost year after year. One family in my church lost 6 children over 5 years. That's why they are needed.

I vaccinated BUT I did not have multiple injections each visit.

I spaced them all out individually.

Nurse was super supportive and GP said I was sensible. SO there you go.

TBH I decided against the MMR completely as a baby as I felt it was far too much going in in one go.

Kids are now 9 and they've just had the first MMR> Both were poorly after it so I knew I'd made the right decision. I'm waiting 2 months before I go back for the booster. Obviously can both talk now so both kids told me it actuallY BURNS as it goes in and feels bloody painful.

A baby can't tell you that. And it's exactly the SAME AMOUNT OF MMR in a needle that goes into a small baby and/or a young teen or adult.

Someone please explain that to me? Makes no sense. You wouldn't take the same amount of Calpol as a baby and a 9 year old.

OP - you do you. Personally I would vaccinate, but do it at your pace.

If you want your child to potentially die unnecessarily, then don't vaccinate.

I am a huge supporter of vaccinations but I’m also a huge supporter of there being no stupid questions. You came here and asked and have listened and responded respectfully. Anyone being a dick to you is just that, a dick

Indeed this. If my child is vaccinated I don't really care what other people decide to do. Their child, their choice, their mistakes to make.

So what 'research' have you done that is more qualified than the people who do this for a living?

Speaking as an oldie, my cousin had polio in the last big outbreak before the vaccine was introduced. She spent months in the isolation hospital, no visitors. She has never been able to walk since. She has had a fulfilling life due to the work and support from my Uncle and Aunt. She was one of the 'lucky' ones.

I have a Smallpox scar on my arm. My children didn't have the smallpox jab because it was irradicated by the vaccine.

I had the TB innoculation. My children didn't because it is no longer a problem in this country.

I worked with an older lady who had diptheria as a child. Weeks and weeks of pain and isolation.

Is that enough evidence for you?

There’s a lady who has commented saying she was severely injured by the covid vaccine and it’s things like that that stick in my mind.

She could have been even more injured by actual Covid though, or even died.

She may have been injured, but she's alive.

Yup - I vaccinated my child also born around the hoo-hah around mmr

"Andrew Wakefield" - total utter murdering wanker - had a financial stake in the outcome, did his "research" on 12 kids at a birthday party (without permission!) and should be burned at the stake

I have a family member who didn't vaccinate her son (in Australia).

He became very unwell with diphtheria about a year ago, he was only a young toddler at the time. She was absolutely beside herself. Shortly after she had him vaccinated fully.

Please vaccinate, the pros outweigh the cons.

Sorry to derail. How did you get confirmation it was vaccine related. I was told "it's hard to know, it might have happened with or without vaccine".

I actually think you’ve handled this thread really well. You’ve been honest about your research and the origin of your concerns and haven’t risen to any of the unpleasant responses.

I am a huge supporter of vaccinations but I’m also a huge supporter of there being no stupid questions. You came here and asked and have listened and responded respectfully. Anyone being a dick to you is just that, a dick.

Definitely get the vaccines