To vaccinate newborn or not

Have you ever looked at old historical records or visited a stately home or graveyard...I went to a small museum/stately home near me and it was really shocking reading how many of the children in this particular family had died as infants. Vast majority of their children had died from the same illness which had passed round them. It was really quite shocking

I completely understand where OP is coming from. It's completely counterintuitive to allow manufactured chemicals into your child. However I have always supported vaccines and my DC are vaccinated because
A) family member died of an illness that would have been prevented by a vaccine
b) it protects other children who can't have the vaccine for some reason
I would say now it's even more important to vaccinate. As NHS and public services deteriorate, illnesses will likely rise and there won't be as good treatment or it will be very expensive and vaccines themselves could be too expensive if you wait for DC to decide as adults. Hopefully a labour government will stop the decline but we can't guarantee long term anymore sadly

Ah OP you don’t need to do any research- it’s all been done for you by many scientists and medical professionals. They have concluded that vaccines are safe and effective and save lives. Enjoy your lovely baby and trust the process.
Having worked in paediatrics and seen some very poorly unvaccinated children there was no question whether my children would be vaccinated (GP).

Who makes money from your child not getting ill? Yes, people and services are paid a wage to vaccinate your child. However, in a true capitalist sense, there is far more money to be made flogging you cures once you child is ill. Or therapy for you once your child is dead. Or flogging you separate vaccines rather than the efficient all in ones.

The people out to make money in this system aren't the ones offering vaccines to your baby. It's the ones persuading you to instead buy the snake oil.

I think you need to separate out the traditional childhood vaccines which have been well tested, where we have lots of evidence on side effects over the years and that protect against very serious illness v Covid shots which are not well tested and we don’t have the information on long term effects.

I got my daughter all the childhood vaccine's but no way will she/I take a mRNA ‘vaccine’ until longer term studies are done on them.

You don't have to. You're here questioning them all.

I was completely pro vaccines until covid. After clean water they are the most import public health intervention. BUT during covid a healthy group of people were strong armed into getting a new vaccine, of which we knew little about the efficacy and long term effect, against a virus that posed almost zero risk them. We were lied to and blackmailed by a government whom it's not apparent we're acting in our interests. The end result is people like the OP are now questioning other vaccines, which are tired and tested and have been shown to be beneficial. The trust is gone and this will cost lives.

Mine had all the vaccines including chicken pox bar the covid one. I have friends in the medical field who see the 1% who are seriously ill so i go by what they do with their kids ie vaccinate

Totally agree. Anyone on MN who points out that vaccine injuries are in fact a thing is just accused of being anti vax.

You haven’t done research. You’ve looked at spurious google search results. Vaccines save children’s lives.

The childhood schedule of vaccines is based on long standing vaccines that have eliminated or near eliminated diseases that killed and disabled thousands an thousands of children. They also work because of herd immunity so I woudl say not only are you protecting your children, you are protecting everyone's children and everyone who is immunocompromised by that decision.

On the issues of research, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ Pubmed will give you some access to medical research on this topic. But, as an information literacy professional, I would caution you with reading scientific papers and summaries. Most of us, myself included, do not have the expertise with statistics to fully assimilate this information. For example a headline "eating carrots quadruples your chance of dying of bird feather syndrome" (completely made up, just FYI) is terrifying. But if it actually raises a 0.0000001% risk to a 0.0000004% risk you might feel very different about the risk you are taking. These papers are not written for lay people (non experts) and while I do think scientists do need to work on their communication, you can and should listen to your GP and other medical workers supporting you. They do have your baby's best interests at heart.

It's also ok just the find the process upsetting. I fully believe in vaccines but the moment of 'letting someone hurt my baby' as it irrational feels is utterly horrible and I cried after every time. But that's emotion and not the rational case of why you are doing this

If you’d bothered to read the full thread rather than jumping to be rude then you’d know wouldn’t you? OP has honestly said she’s done a little Google research only but has concerns.

This is an opportunity to help inform about the benefits of vaccines. by being a dick then you run the risk of frightening someone away and then finding their answers from anti-vaxxers. But as long as you feel better…

No harm in research, but stick to reputable medical journals etc, who, nhs. There will be a lot written online by nobody’s with an agenda and misinformation. Dr Wakefield has been universally discredited for his research so any followers of him should be too. The pre and post vaccine data in this country speaks for itself on infant mortality. Yes it’s normal to be nervous around vaccines but when you are faced with the side effects of the ‘live’ ones (menb) you realise how bad the full blown infection could be if this is just a taster!

I have a close friend who is a pediatrician.

They do not tell me heart breaking stories about children who die, or are permanently disabled due to having had routine vaccinations.

They do cry on my shoulder over the children they could not save, or barely saved who will suffer throughout their lives due to complications from illnesses that could have been prevented had the child been vaccinated.

That was enough for me.

The diseases the vaccines protect against could cause a range of outcomes in your child such as blindness, deafness, paralysis, brains damage and death. If you don’t want this to happen to your child then you should vaccinate them.

I don’t like the constant reminders, the phone calls and the pressure to vaccinate

They are having to do this because of people like you who think they know better and get their information from internet rabbit holes.

Grow up.

" i’ve done my own research on whether i should be vaccinating my newborn but it’s hard to find unbiased facts."

Scientists have dedicated careers to this, and looked at the unbiased facts. The unbiased facts are that vaccines save lives. And save children and adults from life limiting ongoing issues from illnesses. I think it's child neglect to refuse vaccines unless there is a medical reason. And a superiority complex that 'my own research' on google is somehow better than scientific methods is not a medical reason.

People here are not more qualified though than your gp

1. I'm a 6 ft supermodel and earn 60,000 a day

2. I'm a man called Andrew and spend my time crime fighting in tights

3. I'm Sarah, I'm 57 and I live in Hull

Which of these are true if any??? You don't know, this place is no more reliable than Google

Childhood illnesses aren't benign maladies that we should all just catch in early years and therefore remove the risk. They can kill, and used to kill and/or severely impair many more people pre-nationalised vaccine programs.

Facts. Let’s just look at the 6 in 1 jab.

• whooping cough - pertussis

1 in 100 babies who catch pertussis die.
https://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/fast-facts.html#:~:text=Whooping%20cough%20can%20cause%20serious,treatment%20in%20the%20hospital%20die.

“Before a vaccine was introduced in the 1950s, the average number of suspected cases in England and Wales was over 100,000 each year, and in some years over 2000 people died from pertussis. By 1972, when over 80% of children were vaccinated, this had fallen to 2069 suspected cases and 2 deaths”
https://vaccineknowledge.ox.ac.uk/pertussis-whooping-cough#:~:text=Before%20a%20vaccine%20was%20introduced,suspected%20cases%20and%202%20deaths.

• Polio

“Before a vaccine was introduced in the 1950s, epidemics would result in up to 7760 cases of paralytic polio in the UK each year, with up to 750deaths. Once a vaccine was routinely available, cases of polio rapidly fell to very low levels.”
https://vaccineknowledge.ox.ac.uk/polio#:~:text=Before%20a%20vaccine%20was%20introduced,fell%20to%20very%20low%20levels.

• diptheria

“In Britain during the 1930s, before the introduction of immunisation, an average of 58,000 cases were seen each year, with 2,800 deaths.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK545997/

• hib

• tetanus

It is done because it saves lives, not to tick a box.

Those diseases are killers....but people forget that because we don't have first hand experience of diphtheria and measles anymore .....because the vaccines have worked.

You're brave posting this on here!

People can never discuss this topic on here without being rude and aggressive.

I remember reading a thread where someone had posted asking if it was worth getting her child privately vaccinated against chicken pox and people were still rude to her even though she was very clearly not anti-vax.

Lots of people also unable to accept some people are injured by vaccines. I'm sure the person injured by the.covid vaccine would've got COVID and died. Right? Right? Keep telling yourself that, as per even the NHS and any medical body who push for vaccinations, there are many side effects and injuries that can be had from vaccines and no, not every single one of those people would have died from the illness the vaccine that damaged them was supposed to protect them from. But please enjoy your ignorance. Anybody so blind to these points is as bad as the person they're berating on the opposite side of the fence who is blindly against.