To vaccinate newborn or not

When you say you've done your own research, I presume you haven't submitted a scientific paper and had it peer-reviewed - so no, you haven't, what you mean is you've done what most people think of as 'research' and read some blogs/articles that support your own pre-existing bias.

FWIW, my dad was a consultant anaesthetist and very very strongly pro vaccination. He also had polio as a child (born and raised in sub Saharan Africa) and had a lifetime of health problems that killed him in the end. Vaccinations not only save lives, they save a lot of pain.

That's the only fact that is needed.

The NHS are really tight when it comes to paying for things. The NHS recommending it is because of the evidence behind those vaccines.

Also please don’t base what you do on how polite people are.

Please vaccinate your baby. They are so vulnerable to illnesses and the vaccines exist to protect not only your precious baby but also the wider community. Have a look at the rise in cases in diseases such as measles where vaccination uptake has dramatically dropped. Measles kills or can leave children with life changing effects.
If you have questions about vaccinations I would rather you went and spoke to either your health visitor or practise nurse about them and find out proper information. But not one health professional is going to suggest anything other than promoting vaccination and I think that in itself speaks volumes.

Of course you do op, you do not want a baby with any of the illness they vaccinate for and specially not polio

Whats the big conspiracy then?

You haven’t answered my question from earlier about where people can do reliable and comprehensive research.

It’s not a money making exercise for the NHS. The NHS has to justify every penny spent, and the effectiveness and cost of the vaccine against the cost of caring for patients ill with said virus is one of the key deciding factors.

I campaigned to get the Menigitus B vaccine available for all in the NHS. Death rate 1 in 10. Many more are left permanently disabled. Close family member died aged 14. One of the final deciding factors was it’s cheaper to vaccinate babies than to support the ones who survived disabled throughout their lives.

Yes there are companies who get rich off making vaccines. Although some vaccines were “donated” to science by the discoverers.

However compare to diabetes. There are companies getting rich off diabetic treatment. However that treatment saves hundreds of thousands of lives.

My dad was born in the 1940s, he told me kids from school would often just not turn up anymore.... reason? They caught measles and it killed them.

We are so lucky nowadays that we actually don't realise that kids died from these things all the time.

Have you seen Mary Berry's hand? That's because she had polio.

I’m a 40 year old woman who didn’t have to Covid jab. Nearly died and was left in a horizontal position for 6 month unable to walk or look after my kids. I’ve slowly come back but have lots of neurological problems. Everyone else around me had the jab and they were fine.

Everyday I regret not having the jab just because I got caught up with the antivaxers theories which has no scientific back up. My husband really wanted me to have the jab so you can imagine how stupid I felt when this happened to me. What does your husband think about it? To me it’s an absolute no brainer . All my kids are vaccinated, thanks goodness!

The Covid vaccinations WERE very well tested. It’s this sort of rhetoric that leads to people like the OP feeling the way she does.

Well said amylou8.

My eyes are now opened to big pharma and government collusion but I fear people will ‘throw the baby out with the bath water’ and avoid all the safe and effective traditional vaccines as a result.

Why don't you trust/believe the decades of global and independent research?

The whole anti-vax movement if fuelled by fear. During covid when people were scared it was far easier to think you had some control over the situation by using alternative therapies and finding support on internet forums full of like minded/ misguided people. The vaccines you will be using to protect your child have been used for a very long time with minimal side effects. Googling vaccines will take you down a rabbit hole of incorrect facts and misinformation. I have a PhD in microbiology and am a senior lecturer in microbiology. My children have had all their vaccines.

I had my kids vaccinated because I didn't want them to get sick and I wanted to protect the wider community. It's also why I get vaccinated.

In fact saying you would take the vaccine because that baby's mother didn't is irrelevant. The measles vaccine didn't begin in the uk until 1968 or thereabouts.
I had measles in about 1954 and fortunately recovered , although I became delerious and talking nonsense for a while apparently . If it had been available my parents would have had me vaccinated as they did with other vaccines e.g. smallpox.

Measles is deadly. What else is there to say?

I worked on one of the clinical trials for one of the covid vaccines. Don’t believe everything you read online, there really is some nonsense out there. Vaccines save lives.

Also it's absolutely not a money making exercise. The NHS doesn't make money, that's part of the reason its in difficulties. This is not like the US where pharma can give doctors financial incentives to pushe their proprietary treatments which is morally abhorrent.

Exactly. I had someone I know refuse to vaccinate her children because of her opinion that they would be protected by ‘herd immunity’ however this is a not a valid method as

1. herd immunity relies on a high % of vaccinated children. But if it did spread locally your child could die - or be seriously ill - we all know you get little pockets of outbreaks every now and again.
2. a vaccination doesn’t stop you catching it but the bodies defences are better able to defend you. Eg I have had 6 vaccines - for Covid as I’m ECV and I’ve caught it twice and been ill but I have no immunity due to steroids that I have to take. Without the vaccines I probably would not have survived.
3. some people can not have the vaccines (allergy or whatever or chemotherapy or whatever) and herd vaccine needs to be as high as possible for them
4. viruses mutate quickly - even if you don’t have a vaccine for that strain of virus you body cells are better able to adapt and fight it when prepared with a vaccine
5. The mother of the child I referred to at the start compromised her son as he wants to travel at aged 17 and couldn’t as he didn’t have the required vaccines and medical insurance didn’t like it
6. your immune system when you are younger builds up a fighting system using these vaccines and children tend to be more resilience to infections than adults - older adults tended to be the ones worse hit by Covid whereas children seemed to bounce back - this is partly due to their exposure but also other medical reasons
7. some anti vaxs peddle myths such as my children are all fine but actually they are fine in this country at this time - but if TB suddenly pops up again or they catch it on their travels or from someone coming from overseas / it could easily kill them - why? When it’s preventable
8. In some countries to go to the ‘state school’ your child must be vaccinated - it’s a legal requirement to protect the others and staff so you need to be aware of that